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    D&D 5E The cost of D&D 5E (it ain't so bad!)

    Sustainability will be the real question though. Anyone who doesn't expect them to sell well initially is kidding themselves, but long term sales will depend in part on those that do see Fate or Dungeon World as legitimate campaign alternatives, especially as a second or third campaigns when...
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    D&D 5E The cost of D&D 5E (it ain't so bad!)

    Or more likely won't buy the books at all. The challenge is that while it's probably a decent price point from WotC's perspective, it's not a good price point to convince people to make it their second or third campaign on their list of priorities, and that is going to hurt WotC in the long run...
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    D&D 5E The cost of D&D 5E (it ain't so bad!)

    That's great for those that know they want to play it right now, but it doesn't override the basic concern. There are still cheaper games out there that have just as much of an online discount that keeps them competitive in the value arena, so this new edition is still one of the more expensive...
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    D&D 5E The cost of D&D 5E (it ain't so bad!)

    It's a short term product, not a campaign long product, and so by itself is of limited usefulness to those who don't want to fully commit to all three core books eventually. If WotC can publish a lot of high quality adventures, than it could very well be part of an alternative path, where...
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    D&D 5E [Merged] D&D Next/5E Release Schedule Threads

    It will probably end up being called 5th edition whether or not it's the official moniker. Stores and and online merchants will have to have some way to differentiate it when people start looking for it, so it will definitely receive some kind of semi-official moniker, and 5th edition makes the...
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    D&D 5E The cost of D&D 5E (it ain't so bad!)

    The problem with that approach is that you end up with a lot of folks who buy the Starter Box, and never ever even think about buying another product again, and from WotC's prospective, that's no good either. This group cannot be the focus, to be sure, but to exclude them the way they did in 4E...
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    D&D 5E The cost of D&D 5E (it ain't so bad!)

    I see relying on the Starter Box for those not 100% into the game a bit of a problem actually. Levels 1-5 are not going to cut it for long term campaigns, meaning that at the very least the PHB + a lot of very, very good adventures is going to be needed to take the place of the full set of core...
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    D&D 5E [Merged] D&D Next/5E Release Schedule Threads

    We'll find out this summer if the starter box lives up to those expectations. Until then, I don't plan on assuming either way. The pieces are definitely there for a good, dense experience like you described, but whether they got put together correctly to achieve that end result can't be...
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    D&D 5E [Merged] D&D Next/5E Release Schedule Threads

    You are quite correct, but that requires the starter box to have 5 months of gaming in it, and that is no given at this point in time. It also requires really good adventures or other materials so that those groups are still buying something related to the system beyond that 5 months, and...
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    D&D 5E [Merged] D&D Next/5E Release Schedule Threads

    Which puts even more pressure on the Starter Set, which WotC has not done very well with in the past. And focusing entirely on the Starter Set for those people may not be best idea either as the Starter Set only carries you so far before you have to commit to the hardbacks or find another game...
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    D&D 5E [Merged] D&D Next/5E Release Schedule Threads

    I see several challenges with the $50 price tag. First, not everyone can or will buy the books online, and the LGS will have a very hard time matching the discounts that sites like Amazon can get away with. This means that the full price does still matter, and $50 is a lot to expect a random...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    That to me is the problem; I get the reasons they have for it, but they have used same approach and the same reasons before, and the closest thing they have to a sure success, however small a success they clearly view the tabletop game to be, ends up getting neglected to the point that it can't...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    It's not impossible that the multimedia aspect could work out this time, but it's going to require a sustained turnaround over the course of several successes to really see that aspect take off. No one single success is going to do it; they've had too many successes wither on the vine in the...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    They are trying to get their next movie into their own hands, so that's an area that WotC cannot be blamed. Computer games will continue to be licensed out, but the nature and the receivers of the licenses are a key factor, so WotC's fate in this arena is not entirely out of their hands, and...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    You're optimistic, but you have no more to support your optimism than those that show pessimism, probably less if you look at WotC's track record, yet you demand proof from others that you yourself cannot give. That's not trying to have a debate, that's trying to outshout your opponent, which it...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    And planning your entire brand around something that may, or may not, happen is a recipe for continuing to have exactly the same problems they have right now. You simply cannot assume that just because a movie is made that it will be good, or that any success will carry over to the greater...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    First off, please quit parsing individual sentences like that; it's really, really, really annoying and tends to miss the greater points being made. Second, WotC has been saying, and for that matter, doing, the same thing since they released 3rd edition; the issue isn't whether or not they are...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    The problem is will be vs what is now. Other things may be in production, but Next is going to be the first thing to hit the market, and if Next is not at least mildly successful, than the rest is going to have a much harder time. Novels and boardgames are already out there, and are basically...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    WotC is not Hasbro, and the novel line is for all practical purposes it's own product and brand, the success of which has little to no bearing on any other part of the brand. And the fact that Iron Man shifted the focus for Marvel away from comic books is great, but WotC has nothing in the...
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    D&D 5E D&D Next: Let's discuss it's mass multimedia goal.

    For the final audience, neither means much at all. Where they mean a great deal is with the investors and people funding the projects, and this is where WotC has a problem Marvel never really had. Marvel has always been a producer of multiple comic books, each with it's own level of success and...
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