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It's interesting to imagine how much more sympathy you'd get for this position if the kiss and the sibling reveal had taken place in the same movie.

I'm no psychologist, but this seems a pretty clear case of people's self identities being tied up in certain brands. Other than buying a brand, how do you get in the business of selling people's identities back to them? Dunno, really: all the really good examples I've seen arose from...

That's because calling a tonal inconsistency a plot hole is a HuffPo-editor level of clickbaity misrepresentation. Just like calling THAC0 objectively bad, for example. Anyone's free to do it, but you have no reason to be bemused or puzzled that your lightning rod attracts lightning.

Sure, there's a tenable case for inconsistent characterization.

Then this is merely a lexical disconnect, since I don't agree that plot holes (logical inconsistencies, direct contradictions, etc.) are subjective. Oh, absolutely. Hollywood and genre fiction usually have one or more plot holes, and they're fine unless one aspires to literary status...

Deep kissing a nearby warm-bodied human male in order to make the point to han solo that you'd rather kiss a wookie, and later finding out that the person you kissed was your brother? Borderline at worst. Certainly not something that two serious-minded people would absolutely HAVE TO wring their...

Yeah, definitely not connecting with any of this. I see no evidence that the in-universe truth of their relationship changed between movies (ignoring the meta-plot speculation about Lucas.) Nor do I agree that an open mouth kiss is actual incest.

But that isn't true. I, for example, didn't mind the kiss, but plenty of things cropped up in TFA that I didn't like. I might be tripping over your terminology. "Airtight" is a colloquialism that IME means the absence of plot holes; whereas it sounds like you were bothered by an extreme action...

The forum description still needs to be updated.

If this twist feels contrived to you, then I'm in no position to say you're wrong--glass houses and such. But do note that there is a big distinction between plot inconsistencies and seat-of-the-pantsing the plot. In particular, the fact that Lucas might not have intended them to be family from...

No, but I can tell you that the reason for its popularity surge is almost certainly Adam Koebel's campaign on twitch and youtube. The first few weeks of this game are among the best, most tense gaming moments I have yet to see online. Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure SWN is free if you want to go...

I have no doubt.

I realize this train has already sailed, but to me the outrage inducing clickbaity thread titles are an issue, in that they make this forum less pleasant to browse.

Pretty much this. On the basis of what we got in TFA alone, I went with Finn.

That's uncharitable at best, as I've already said accessibility is a normative value upon which people are free to disagree. At any rate, I don't think my opinion of TFA is going to be presented any more clearly, or that it needs to take up any more thread space than it already has. To recap, I...

I like them for what they taught me about George Lucas, and by extension, the importance of respecting every step in the creative process.

It's not what I intended to say, not what I think, and not what I said.

Sorry, I don't follow. How so? Edit: Perhaps that was a misquote?

A sympathetic protagonist (in particular) is one the audience is expected to identify with, as opposed to an unsympathetic protagonist with whom they are meant to be uncomfortable and unsure. Withholding details of a protagonist's primary motivation in any scene by definition and by experience...