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If you've read this thread, then you already know I don't agree that Rey was super accessible. Others disagree and that's fine--accessibility is a subjective value, after all.

False attribution: I never said you can't care. What I did say was that withholding major salient details makes the character less accessible.

That is not, I believe, established in the movie; it's a narrative that you're substituting for the missing exposition. Are you so certain, for example, that Rey wasn't crying for her twin brother who was being carried away on the ship whose last words were "wait here, I'll come find you"? It...

Without wishing to debate semantics, I think that establishing motivation means laying out the motivation in sufficient crunchy detail for the viewer. But, yes, whichever way you want to call it, I was unsatisfied with Rey's motivation in this and other scenes.

Yes, I noticed all this groundwork, but it clearly wasn't enough to carry me through the scene. I wanted to share Rey's moment of doubt as she rejects the hero's call, and I wasn't able to because I didn't know the first thing about who she was waiting for, or why she was waiting for them...

It isn't so much a matter of declaring motivations (which even the prequels do), as establishing motivations. If the motivation is fairly expected and pedestrian, like Rey's desire to help the droid in that early establishing shot, then we don't need a great deal of setup--the simple contrast is...

In that case, perhaps the best way for us to proceed is to leave off discussing the matter, since we clearly don't share the right parlance to make this conversation work.

Sorry, I'm not understanding the question. How do you feel complaints about missing motivation should be formulated? Eh, chewie's always moaning and shooting at bad guys. And they had planned to blow the explosives anyway, whether Han died or not. Look, I'll freely admit that I might have...

Please see my first post.

Fair enough, though I think you're outspoken on the second sentence and I would bet an awful lot of money against you being correct on the last sentence. Either way, my wife is threatening me with hasty and severe bodily harm if I continue to spend Christmas Eve arguing about star wars on the...

I'm not sure there's much of a conversation to be had here. Unless you're objecting to the word "standard"? If "norm," or some other word/phrase would work better for you, please substitute it and we can continue where we left off.

By the standards of western story telling, the story the movie tells should be self-contained, meaning that for example the protagonist's conflicting motivations should be made clear during the rising action. The standards of star wars are higher, IMO, because of the tightly-woven precedent set...

But that's the point: it's not self-contained. It's not tight.

Yeah the more I think about TFA, the less happy I am. --Why don't they tell us who Rey is waiting for at Jaku? She's (apparently) the protagonist, since she's the one with agency during the climax--why isn't her motivation made clear? --Why does she run away from the lightsaber? Why did the...

Just saw it. Not bad, but the plot wasn't anywhere near as tight as I felt a star wars movie should have been. Han's death was a pretty good case in point--han had (apparently) no agency in the moment of his death, and it bore no real consequences for the remainder of the story (consider: if he...

It would be really, really interesting to know the present-day segmentation of D&D fandom. Were I to fumble about for a starting hypothesis, I'd say that there were three important clusters of home games happening: a blue-collar segment, a campus segment, and a white-collar technician segment...

This app has been in sunset for some time. Disallowing new subs is patently another part of that process.

Congratulations, Paizo. Much as I love to complain, I think you've done well by gamers, and gosh if I still don't get that old dungeon mag feel when I open a new AP.

Good thought, and it wouldn't shock me if you were more than somewhat correct; but I would caution against over-generalizing. In my experience, the best indicator of which playstyle a person wants is how well they internalize the rules of the game (besides the ones that get them excited about...

Yes; absolutely. I have a response, but feel I first ought to clarify what kind of D&D players I'm talking about. I've DMed 2E, 3E/Pathfinder and 5E, and the players I've encountered over the years have overwhelmingly been of the same sort: surprisingly unaware of the game rules beyond (1)...