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while the avenge paladin is VERY strong, the channel divinity power is only usable on ONE target, The barbarian can get all the advantage he wants but lacks the burst potential the extra 1d6 is compensated by a large margin by the extra attacks the fighter gets (considering he can "power...

a fighter can potentially go for the -5+10 once per manouver, plus all the advantage opportunities he has every short rest (remeber one of the manouver, trip attack gratns advantage for the rest of the attack routine) so lets say at least 6-7 times per short rest; thats 60-70 extra dmg every...

I've played a fighter for most of my D&D career, spawning from 1st edition to 5th. While paladins and barbarians fill a role and are quite powerful this time around, fighters are absolute monsters. The require some optional rules tho. for example the really shine with feats, since they have the...

well, while this is possible in theory, most of the time a sword and board character will want to stay close the the enemies he's trying to tank... moreover you still get an AoO from the enemy, albeit at disadvantage since he's prone. but yeah, you can use a shove manouver for defensive...

I am missing how are you depriving them from attacks by sending them prone... the just get up with half their movement and attack freely

yes, if you read more carefully my full post, I'm clearly saying that u can shove with one of the attacks of your attack action and then attack with the bonus action. the differences betwee dual wielder and shield master come from this assumption.

so you need the extra attack feature... not so hard to get for a sword and board character

mmhh so either you need to have the extra attack feature or the dueal wielder feat since it removes the limitation of light weapons

I guess i've not explained myself very well; i'm implying that ofc you can use the shield in the off hand and get both the shield +2AC and the dual wielder +1AC bonus for a total +3AC

I've never seen the ruling from crawford about improvised weapons not being able to be dual wielded. can you provide a link or something? because of course it would completely change all the considerations here.

while i agree that shield master ofc also offers defensive benefits, we must all admit that the main purpose of the feat is the shove part; and that benefit specifically is used mostly for offensive reasons. Making it effectively a mosly offensive feat. moreover while the dex bonus and "evasion"...

I agree with what you are saying, but what i meant is that i find odd that, going as a sword and board warrior, you have defensive benefits with dual wielder and offensive benefits with shield master.

I remember reading about this from a different thread. That you could use the bonus action granted by feats or TWF to shove instead than to attack, since the shove "manouver" can be taken instead of an attack. while this is not true: PHB pg 195 "Using the Attack action, you can make a special...

yeah i edited my last post, was reading it wrong for some reason. I agree with your interpretation

i agree with most of your post, but i don't get from where you desume this last conclusion EDIT: nvm, i was reading it wrong and thought you intended the opposite. I agree with your conclusions