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Robin Hood comes to mind… he would clearly deal Damage on a Miss! 😛

This I can 100% gets behind! I personnally love the NADs and what they bring to the table, but I can understand that people can hate that new mechanic. And it’s true that 4e is the only edition that doesn’t use Saving Throw so if for you, it is an important part of DnD Legacy, I can understand...

That’s pretty much the difference between a weapon attack and a magical attack though… weapon attack usually target AC while magic target either Fortitude, Reflex or Will. But regardless, the fact remains that Damage on a Miss is acceptable in certain situations and not others, which is the...

That's where I was going with. That it's not really the Damage on a Miss mechanic the problem that doesn't make sense, or the term used (because in some case they can deal with it, even if it's not to their liking), it's the narrative behind it that they just can't accept. And I'm okay with it...

Fun fact, it looks like Damage on a Miss already exist in 5e. Acid Arrow: A shimmering green arrow streaks toward a target within range and bursts in a spray of acid. Make a ranged spell attack against the target. On a hit, the target takes 4d4 acid damage immediately and 2d4 acid damage at the...

No need for a particular word for that, just say 'the target is out of the AoE, or out of range'. So the problem is not really the Damage on a Miss mechanic (because it's okay in certain situation) but simply the use of the word 'miss' that you decide to take literally, even if the designer...

So Damage on a Miss is okay in certain situation but not so in others, just like I said to Snarf. Could I dare say that the 'problem' is just when a Martial character use it?

I agree. Maybe it wasn’t clear, but I was voicing my opinion on the subject, not facts.

Oh I know that. There is people that believe that 4e should not have been called DnD, that with another name it would have been more successful (I don't share this opinion at all, but I still hear it from time to time... or the classic DnD Tactics...).

So a Fireball doing damage on a miss is a bridge too far for you?

You are absolutely right. That's the thing, just like any other editions of DnD, 4e is it's own separate game and should be treated as such. Legacy can be a nice thing, but a new edition should not be bound by it. Each edition should be judged and treated as their own separate games. I will not...

But that is exactly how Fireball works in 4e: Fireball (Daily) Standard Action Area Burst 3 within 20 squares Target: each creature in burst Attack: Intelligence Vs Reflex Hit: 3d6+Intelligence modifier fire damage Miss: Half Damage Like it or not, Fireball in 4e is doing damage on a miss and...

People can dislike the rule as much as they want, this I really don’t care. As I said multiple time, to each their own. What I have a harder time understanding, is people saying that it doesn’t make any sense by denying the parameter of the game that allows the rule to make sense. 4e...

Maybe you misunderstood me, I’m not saying that I don’t understand why some people didn’t like 4e, or that I can’t accept it, or that I’m trying to pinpoint a particular reason why, because there is not. I was there, and like you said, it was about many things. And again, like you said...

Trudvang Chronicles works this way. You attack against a fixed DC, regardless of the target. You either hit or don’t. Then the defender can, if he have the points for it, try to parry. He either succeed or fail. If the attack pass, you then roll damage and a part from it can be absorb by your...

First of all, I said so earlier and will repeat it again, I really don't care how other people decide to play the game or not, their table their rules. And I won't ever think that I can somehow convince other people to play or view something differently, I've been on the internet for long enough...

Yes, that’s what I wrote earlier. Hit on a miss in 4e and saving throw in other editions has the same narrative, the same intention and the same effect. The only difference is the mecanic (one is the attacker rolling, the other the defender) and somehow, for some people, it seems to change the...

Oh absolutely, I can confirm there is and they can get nasty! But even then, it goes in the positive way. Your character doesn’t become weaker, it’s the enemy that gets better against him. Instead of your character getting weaker when bloodied and the combat now just getting longer because it’s...

I just had a discussion with my friend yesterday about how DnD 4 always built on positive play experience and moving forward instead of slowing things down. First, they removed the negative racial attribute modifiers, so no race was really discourage to play anything, every race could start...

I’ll raise you having a first level character not risking getting killed by the first attack of a 1 hour combat was also brilliant! Combined with Critical Hit being a fix value of Max possible damage instead of being a multiplier is pretty nice! Oh! And using Intel modifier for AC! A Wizard...