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I just don't see the "you can do whatever you want with the skills, the feats are not there to give permission" appear anywhere in the PF2 Core Rules or the Gamesmaster book. Skill feats "grant a new way of using a skill or make you better at using a skill in a particular way" (Core) and a game...

Lightning bolts. Vampire bosses throwing lightning bolts around always make my players duck and cover. Then gaseous form, so he can wait somewhere else with his crooked vampire fingers ready to throw more lightning bolts.

But isn't that what the roll is for? Especially with the swinginess of a d20? Roll low bad. Roll high good.

@Thomas Shey I wish our GM thought in those terms. That's definitely the terms I think in as a GM, but reading the text of PF2, I can see why GMs (especially) and players (hunkering over their online character sheets) play the game in the strictest, most literal terms. As an aside, I've known...

That would be a solid foundation, but the existence of this thread and people's played experience definitely suggest that the propensity of rules feels like a straitjacket, or at least something like a weight around the necks of players. And GMs! My thoughts on slimming down the rules stem from...

Yeah I totes vibe with your assessment. I feel like PF2 is stuffed full of so many permissions and rules saying how things work in particular situations that the overall feeling is that without permission a player cannot do something.

Man, years ago I used to collect money for a drug dealer. Taking a minute to Intimidate someone, then taking a minute to intimidate the next person in the room, and so on and so forth, would have made it a much more laborious task than it was. Same with making an Impression with Diplomacy, or...

Me. I'm the Scotsman. And you're the guy who told me to back off, when all i was doing was trying to make funny. I'm always being sarcastic yet I never use /s. Step One: Take nothing I say seriously. Step Two: Block me, as the gods intended. Step Three: Cheerioooo four ohs.

Fair enough, I bow to your superior Wisdom score. It must just be our GM then, and not a feature of the text itself.

Or, step back and behold the power of One True Scotsman who will never use /s. You may take our Greyhawks, but you'll never have our irony! Have a great po-faced day!

Tenuous....yesssss, yessss....that's how I like my conspiracy theories! SHAKEN, not stirred!

The combination of tone and negation of the Greyhawk setting has me wearing my tinfoil wizard's hat, pondering my Orb of Conspiracies.

That's the $6 Million question! We've also ran into the "Oh, right now it would be so cool if i'd taken this amazingly flavourful skill feat, but when the combat is this deadly, who's got time for roleplaying amirite?" problem, which is a problem that drags down the whole system for us. The 5e...

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Give it time and people will be feeding your arguments into CritThinkAI to come at you on the interwebz.

I roll my eyes at you rolling your eyes. It's super-effective. Intimidation is particularly bad for this. The other social skills as well. It takes a minute to intimidate someone without a feat. You can only intimidate one person at a time without a feat. Intimidation doesn't last longer than a...

No worries my fox, I find it difficult to edition war as there's something to love about every edition of The World's Greatest Roleplaying Game(tm).

I've been playing PF2 for about a year and have been pondering my orb over simplifying (I prefer the term 'lightening') the system load for about 11 months of that year. The big thing I'd remove are Skill Feats. I don't like the way skills work in PF2 (needing multiple feats to do what the...

I didn't fix that for you. All the pieces were already there. It fixed all that for you, all by itself.

Dead Man Stomp, as I saw it in the olden days, could get very messy. Which is okay so long as you plan ahead for the mess. Oh yeah, definitely don't aim for historical 'realism'. The olden days took care of that stuff, so you don't have to. Don't lock clues and progression behind skill rolls...