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I'm betting they will allow clerics who have no magic but are skilled medics. Then leave it to the DM to determine when in their campaign world news of the return of the gods reaches them and they become full clerics. For me, iirc the war started three years before dl1. So no clerical spells...

You "think"? You don't know? Here, let's take a look. Laurana. Not buxom, not scantily clad. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c6/8c/e6/c68ce6c3f3d11716b585f7cdae9eb01d.jpg Goldmoon, tastefully drawn. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8e/99/28/8e9928682925946e88e76eed4a05dc1d.jpg Just duckduckgo Dragonlance...

That's called character arc. She started out as a rebellious runaway. She was quite literally the spoiled princess. She grew up quickly and became a leader. Growth. You know, that stuff the protagonist does to make themselves the hero. She contrasts well with the already mature, strong leader...

I think they should have done their homework before discussing DL. To barely remember Laurana was cringe. To think the women were just nothing was cringe. Laurana was the greatest of all the heroes, became leader of the knights, defeated the dragons at the High Clerist Tower and had an excellent...

A different perspective on the morality of the Cataclysm can be found in God, Emperor of Dune. He understands that there are levels of morality. What he did was extremely immoral. Murdered trillions. But if he didn't, the entire human race dies. So he marched to the drum of a higher level morality.

You're not wrong but consider at least one, if not both of the authors were devout Christians and then replace Cataclysm with Great Flood I know you can see how your arguments would get a lecture from any Christian priest if you applied that logic to the story of Noah's Ark. I personally 100%...

Der. Max if you are somehow thinking you are making some logical argument you are not. It is INFERRED that I mean at the DMs table. OBVIOUSLY, the DM can't control what you from play at any other table. Really, I'm almost rempted to say you're trolling but honestly, I think a bunch of others are...

Yeah, well, you're not wrong.

I hope these guys do an M-Space podcast one day.

This is the most toxic forum I've ever been to.

My players aren't (expletive).

Actually changes to the game mechanics makes no clerics much easier to pull off. All the short rests were unheard of in the original.

If you look at the Chronicles you realize it is a magnificently huge stretch.

I didn't realize your issues trumped the conversation about peoples concern that WOTC might bungle something that's "not an issue" to you despite your need to comment so much on it.

But "Orcs" is just a placeholder for any race or class. When you realize it's actually a wedge issue that changes everything. Change the word orc to cleric with healing spells and the setting to DL before clerics got back their healing spells and the DM can rightfully say "No." And by extension...

Could you imagine? Player sits at table: what are you playing? DM: Dragonlance. Player: cool! I want to play a cleric. DM: you can, but we are playing in the days there was no magical healing and clerics had no spells. Player: well, I want to play a cleric who has magic healing spells. DM: we...

No, such DMs run games for forty years and are older and wiser and spot rude unfun players from a mile away.

No, the reality that they put in all the hours behind the scenes preparing for the game gives them the right to say "I put too much work into this to have to put up with you showing up at the last minute and having no manners."

You dont have to play at his table. Go away and play your orc with a DM who allows it.

What kind of disrespectful,rude player would insist the DM bend the knee to their self-entitled spoilt demands instead of respecting that the DM does so much hard work and investment and deserves to enjoy themselves too? Why should such a spoilt, insensitive crybaby be allowed to ruin anothers...