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All of this talk of getting rid of short rests suddenly has me thinking about the greatest book ever released in 3.5: Tome of Battle, The Book of Nine Swords. That's really the only way the fighter is getting to do cool stuff without short rest powers.

I take short rests every day at work and I've never recovered a spell slot. Where do i go to talk to the DM?

The length of encounters is directly related to how much damage the powers do. How are they too powerful if they're underpowered compared to monster hp? Your most powerful stuff still came from dailies. All of your healing was limited by daily resources. Attrition was still there for every...

This is why short rests are broken with 5e as they are right now. The celestial warlock heal spam, for example, wouldn't have been unlimited in 4e because healing takes the recipient's limited healing surges. The system is built with failsafes. If we're making a hypothetical 6e, you'd obviously...

And this is potentially the most elegant way to make things work. Regardless of whether we have short rest powers, long rest powers, 5 minute or 1 hour whatever, the most effective way to make sure all of the classes are balanced around some kind of daily resource management is make daily...

Why is having any number of powers a problem though, if having them doesn't actually make you too powerful compared to encounters? It's clearly not a power or balance issue if combats still took too long.

I was under the impression that almost no one read the DMG from cover to cover. :LOL:

What exactly was the problem? Clearly, it wasn't a problem of quick short rest recovery being too powerful since one of the biggest complaints about 4e was that combats took too long because PCs didn't deal enough damage. If 5 minute recovery of powers wasn't too powerful, what exactly was the...

You're honestly arguing that a guy moderating their slow burn of 2 spell slots over a day is that same as a guy moderating their 12 spells slots over day. "Just moderate" is copium, not problem solving. The social contract isn't the problem. The LR class players aren't the problem. The 1 hour...

I actually did mean 3.5. :LOL: I've played a ton of 3.5, 4e, and 5e and I've never seen a day with 8 encounters in any system.

There are a lot of modules that tack onto the system from homebrew sources but it would be cool to see WotC have a book full of their takes. These aren't really variant rules, per se, but I'd like to see: Stronghold and base building with systems that give tangible adventuring buffs. Cooking...

One of the biggest complaints about the warlock is that they just have to spam the same at-will all day. The fact that they're reduced to that is exactly what many are having an issue with. You're saying it's fine for the LR classes to have variety and spell slots all day because the warlock can...

If this were really what made combats meaningless, then a party of swashbuckler rogues or champion fighters would always have meaningless combats. Ironically, fighters, rogues ,and other classes also had more resources to lose over a day in 4e when you include dailies and the healing mechanic...

You're just repeating the same false equivalency. Expecting the guy with 12 spell slots to go through the whole day without rest is not equivalent to expecting the guy with 2 spells slots to go through the whole day without a rest. What you're claiming sounds like a billionaire telling...

Even if the long rest class goes a whole day without a long rest, they get an entire suite of powers that will take them through the average number of encounters that a real table faces. If a short rest class goes through a whole day without a short rest, they get super screwed. You're making a...

So now your argument is not even that one hour short rests are good, it's that a player is a jerk for wanting to wait a whole 5 minutes to catch their breath? If we're to the point where some people at the table consistently can't wait 5 minutes for another player to catch up with their basic...

My next setting is going to be a fantasy dystopia future Las Vegas game, and the Dancer bard saves me the trouble of making a subclass for a certain popular profession in the valley.

Because the other players don't want to wait to go through the next door, or whatever. It's such a common, basic phenomenon that's weird that you seem to be fishing for some specific response out of me. Ah. It's because you keep using words like "entitled" to describe short rest classes. This...

I was there during 4e when people would argue with a straight face that the fighter being able to swing at 3 enemies and the wizard nuking with a fireball from range was the exact same thing because both were called "powers".

Nothing was changed or really needed an explanation. The long rest classes don't want to wait and hour for the short rest classes, and so they don't necessarily get a short rest. It's a straightforward situation that happens at most tables I've ever played at and happened to me this past week...