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Though that's assuming that a PC Fighter is still ordinary.

I'm not sure there's much in the way of a conspiracy at all. Actually, on the playtest forums, the only people that have complained about a conspiracy of shutting down their discussions have been yourself, Brock_Landers(who's been recently permabanned from here), and MltKnight/JessicaT/[insert...

Especially problematic when large chunks of those customers have contradicting and mutually exclusive wants and desires.

Again, it's still not something you're forced to pick. If you're DMing, then ban the options and don't make/use monsters that have it. If you're a player, you simply opt to not take the option. If you're a player and another player wants to use it, either hope the DM bans it or accept that...

Whether 4e did action points right is debateable. I like them, though I'm not particularly attached to them. I don't see anything odd about critting with a fireball though. Maybe some wind blew most of the blast their way, or they didn't dodge as well as they think they did, or their metal...

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Anyways, reading the post itself.... So pretty much exactly what they're doing already? Damage on a Miss is a completely optional choice among 4 other options, 2 of which are weapon-neutral. Nothing forces you to take Damage on a Miss at all...well, unless you play a blaster Wizard I guess.

Was mostly the jumbled copywrite messages you edited out that confused me.

Heck, 4e has the attacker rolling for everything and the world didn't end.

...what?

That's something I could get behind, though people might take "auto-damage aura" to mean "MAGIC!"(I've seen more believable martial abilities labeled magic). Maybe something like... Berserker Fury-"The Berserker knows how to take advantage of his weapon's momentum, swinging in wide arcs to...

I suppose I can just fall back on the "Rogue in an open featureless plain in the direct epicenter of the Fireball somehow takes no damage," but I've already brought that up a lot in these debates.

I wouldn't take thing Brock says too seriously. He assumes anything and everyone who disagrees with him is part of some major conspiracy to do...something he's never really elaborated on. Don't tell others to disregard anyone's opinion. And especially don't put intentions into other peoples'...

Unless I'm a Rogue with evasion, then I take no damage on a save, even if I'm locked in a 5'x5' box with nothing inside it except me and whatever it causing said "explosion"(which I doubt a fireball is, because aside from combusting flammable objects, it doesn't affect the environment at all...

An attack and a saving throw are both functionally the same thing. The only difference is who makes the d20 roll.

Alright, fair enough. I apologize for jumping the gun, but I've been attacked before for saying Damage on a Miss shouldn't be removed and jumped to assumptions. My bad.

How am I "doing it wrong"? The topic posed a question and I responded what the best case route to take is.

Best solution: Leave Damage on a miss in, add an alternate GWF option for people who don't like DoaM.

Unless you have Evasion of course. Then you take zero damage, even if your standing in the epicenter of the blast on a featureless plane without budging an inch. Meanwhile, the Fighter standing with only his toes in the fireball and hiding 90% of his body behind a tower shield can never take...

I for one am glad. Wizard Fireballs and Lightning Bolts always doing damage even when you crit saves has always been ridiculous and immersion breaking, so I'm glad that's finally being removed.