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You'd be amazed.

You mean aside from the fact that the items produce spell effects? No, they wou;dn't be, because the game doesn't say they are magical. Magic items are magical however.

The skill is not, the effect produced by the skill is by the rules. The same can't be said of Martial 4e abilities.

Name one magical ability Fighters get.

Fun is subjective, and I've never denied Pathfinder can be fun(I play it every week over roll20 and have fun with it). What I will deny is that Pathfinder is a well-designed and balanced game.

It's Steely Dan doing his usual thing of taking things out of context. The PHB never calls Martial maneuvers magical, and if you go by the logic he did, Extraordinary Abilities are also magical because they had similar wording before it was edited.

I'll see if I can find the quote, but they essentially said that they wouldn't change the problems they found with 3.5 being moved into Pathfinder because those problems were sacred cows and taking those out was not an option.

Which is why they do such magical things as hitting people,, hitting people harder snapping necks, giving someone a concussion, and being really intimidating I assume.

Word of developers was they noticed a lot of problems with the main chassis of Pathfinder, but they decided against fixing them because that would create the situation of having those problems fixed.

Actually, Pathfinder is pretty reliable in gutting noncasters. I'll need to find it, but someone on the Paizo forum noticed their new class, the Brawler, had a capstone that was ineffective against anything of it' level. The developer's response was to tell him to shut up and stop putting him...

I didn't need to imply it because it's what I outright said. It does. Oh no, I know for a fact the 4e Rogue would be completely gutted and have all it's fun mechanics taken out before being ported into Casterfinder. reading what I'm writing is a good way to help communication.

My implication was that if the 4e Rogue was moved to PF and was called a Rogue, it would be a Rogue, and would be just as non-magical as the 4e Rogue, in response to the 4e Rogue would never be called Rogue because being from 4e automatically makes it magic somehow(despite 4e explicitly stating...

Don't read a random sentence in my post and assume that's all I said. My problem with the Pathfinder Rogue is that it's poorly balanced and gets out-Rogued by the Wizard. The sentence you read was in response to a 4e Rogue not being a Rogue if ported to Pathfinder, to which my response was it...

Yes, it's a game mechanic, the objective truth is whatever the game mechanic says. Rogue powers are mechanically not magic. Magic items are mechanically magic. 4e's keyword system begs to differ. If it's magic, it has either the Arcane, Divine, Primal, or Psionic keywords. Rogue and Fighter...

Healing surges aren't magical unless they're triggered by a magical ability, whereas magic scrolls and magic wands are always magical. Powers are, once again, only magical if they're explicitly listed as being magical. No Fighter power is, ergo none of them are magical. You can scream until...

Doesn't solve the problem that the Rogue is reliant on those things...or the fact reflavoring something doesn't make it no longer magical. Responding to "here is the problem" with "WELL IGNORE THE PROBLEM" doesm't really help with..you know, fixing the problem. The solution is to nerf the hell...

Aren't comparable ebcause one is explicitly stated as being magic and the other isn't. I can absolutely call a Rogue who plays by using scrolls/wands a pretend-Wizard because that's exactly what he is. That was just a single example. As long as it's still level 3-4, the Rogue and his friends...

It is casting a spell through some medium though. Healing surges isn't magical unless it's explicitly being used from a spell cast. Mostly that it's becoming increasingly clear you have no idea what you're talking.

Healing surges aren't cure spells, so no. Paladins and Blackguards get smites. Those are Wizard abilities, Fighter's don't have teleports or mind control.

It really doesn't. I've yet to throw a Fireball with my 4e Fighter, or have him do anything outright magical.