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I can certainly understand that. From a few of my players, they felt that the way the game operated reminded them of games in the ilk of Diablo or Final Fantasy Tactics (the only thing they had to go by, not big WoW players. :) ) in that it seemed everyone had a certain little tree or two of...

So shouldn't the argument then be "stop attacking/insulting 4E by using this term" instead of trying to hammer down a singular definition for a word that seems to invoke different responses in people? I can certainly respect that as a request in the never-ending battle to put aside the Edition...

Well, as long as you are getting a laugh out of the discussion then all is well. :) I'm taking you to task for resorting to name calling (no matter if the other guy is or not) instead of stating your point and leaving it at that. You have stated that you wish that people would explain what they...

By the same token, repeating the same 'facts' and dismissing others opinions is an insult. Previously I remarked that you hadn't given any indication of where the bar is on knowing enough to comment on the game system or have a valid criticism; that information was never given. Much of the...

Rather harsh terms here, and ones that are little more than opinions, much like the opinion about "videogameyness". I might suggest that we ramp back on insults and keep the discussion on the level. Otherwise, we may as well have this thread locked as well.

I'll be interested to see what he comes up with, regardless.

Wow. This is an entertaining read, at least.

My sincere condolences.

No. More that some equally ill-defined terms are brought out, such as "credible criticism", for example, or "anywhere near the familiarity". Both of those are opinions and require knowing what you mean by those terms. For that matter, much of the debunking of his points of view are based on...

And this is why people shy away from giving more detailed responses. What I'm seeing is less a need to have a word defined and more a desire to have points to pick at, which is sort of a poor way to go about a discussion.

No. I believe that we shouldn't belabor the point. People have explained both on this thread and in the past what they have meant. The argument seems to be that they aren't explaining enough, and that is frankly not a requirement. My personal belief in all this is that regardless of the word...

Videogamey From what I recall of the original and subsequent discussions back years ago, some posters were equating 4E with Diablo or World of Warcraft for a variety of reasons that may/may not have been real, but were rather the way the game play/rules made them feel. Whether that is the way...

Too whatever Thing is, 'too videogamey' is as valid a reason not to like a product as anything else. One may not agree with someone's personal definition of what 'too videogamey' is, but that doesn't make their opinion any less valid, nor does it require anyone to agree with it. Heck, my wife...

Interesting Looks very interesting. I'll be happy to see how all this lays out.

This seems to be something you see a lot, and one of the things that drove me away from the forums for quite a bit. Looking over the last few weeks, for example, you can watch the same people having the same "discussions" and derailing conversations for tens of pages to prove their point. The...

News For me, the news is the first thing I look at each day when I come to the site, so I can keep informed without having to check several sites. It has been nice to come to one place to get a sizable chunk of what is going on. While the loss of the news page would be like losing the local...

I'd suggest trying a few solo sessions with just the two of you, to see if you can get her used to opening up and participating more. It will likely take a great deal of patience on both your parts. Other than that, she seems to be enjoying herself and is as involved as she can be. I wish all...

THIS. This is the main problem (or at least one of the biggies) with what is going on. It has stopped being arguments about the game systems and more a framework so that "the usual suspects" can follow each other from thread to thread arguing. I've read on several threads variations on how two...

I'll take 3.5E as my favorite at this point, although I'd be happy to play any edition, really. I like D&D.

I apologize if it seemed I was pointing at you directly. I used the term "people" to indicate the myriad of posters that have littered the various posts engaging in the behavior I mentioned. Again, apologies for any implied criticism. :)