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You don't think that is a pretty gross overreaction to the situation, and detrimental to the entire group? Of course it would be better if everyone in the group liked every role-playing idea brought to play, but that is pretty unrealistic. Not every idea is going to fly, and having a player...

To play Devil's Advocate I think what some people might have objected to was the absolutist position that a person stating they are uncomfortable always trumps role-playing. While it probably will 9 times out of 10, I could see situations where someone was just being overly picky or sensitive...

Absolutely, the initial attempt at role-playing is not what Player 1 did 'wrong'. However, how can Player 2 let Player 1 know that this is making him personally uncomfortable OOC if he role-plays the scene, even if rejection, in character? Player 1 might interpret Player 2's willingness to...

A lot would also depend on when Player 2 was made aware of Player 1's intention (another thing not determined in this scenario). If Player 1 approaches Player 2 before the session then a confrontation in front of the other players could be avoided. However, your suggestion of trying to resolve...

Ah, my bad, I was referring to the player class Assassin, as opposed to any class that just accepts money for killing people. I don't have my books in front of me, but I know Assassins had special rules and skills, but had to have an Evil alignment. So I would presume, like a Paladin, if he...

Exactly, all of which would fall under 'or some such.' For #2, if he does make an alignment change, would he still have the skills of an assassin? How would you run a reformed assassin, thief, warrior, starts over at level 1? Just curious as I have never played with or used one before.

I don't think I could ever do a point buy system. I just like the idea of not knowing what the character is going to be and having him develop before my eyes...and then developing a back story. I lean towards thin back stories, at least placing them in some context of the world and campaign...

I see what you are saying, and I didn't edit what you were replying to as a way to get one over on you, I was just going with the overall idea that we are discussing DM meddling in character backgrounds. If the DM does it right, the changes or meddling to a PC's background should not affect how...

Short term, it could work. A PC needs time to recover from injury or is off on a solo quest, so the player plays the assassin for a session or two since his goals temporarily coincide with the party, or some such. Obviously each group is going to be different. When I was gaming as a teenager...

I edited your post (no pun intended) to focus on these points. Let me ask you, do you come up with character conception before you roll for stats? What happens if you come up with the idea of the massive, muscled Grag the Almighty and then roll a strength of 6? Second, you state that a change...

I think we are pretty close in our thinking, the main question that started this line was basically what reason could there be to make changes to a PC background and we have both established that there are legitimate reasons, and I do agree with Wheaton's Rule as well. Here is what I think is...

The core elements, to me, are the character's stats and the personality the player runs the character with. You can play a PC without an established background (hell, in a straight dungeon crawl you can play without a personality but that doesn't seem like as much fun). A PC background...

I know what my answer would be, but let me ask you, is the DM telling the player that is dead set on playing a minotaur in a humans and halflings only campaign that he cannot play a minotaur restricting that player's creativity and hijacking the character creation process from that player?

Are those the only two options, or is there any room for middle ground? You seem to be implying that any attempt by the DM to affect character creation or background is tantamount to hijacking or handing out pre-gens (as you state in your previous reply). The choice is not giving the player...

To be fair, that wasn't really the question as originally stated. I was replying to, "why is it ever OK to edit somebody else's PC background/history against their will?" Editing a background, in my view, is different than changing a core element of the character without Player input. Well...

Because people don't always get to determine the exact circumstances of their own birth. I've always done character backgrounds as a collaborative process between Player and DM. In the campaign I am designing now there is a pretty detailed and established world. My plan is to find out the...

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Hippies. It's ok, you can say it.

Just once I would like to take a player with the finely written, detailed, 8 page character background and pull a Wolverine, basically telling them in the 3rd gaming session that their entire life was a magical memory implant and that they are actually... Just to see how they would react.

If I remember this part of the thread, possibly the reason no one took you up on it is that they felt their position didn't quite fit the extreme portrayal you were presenting. I don't recall ever reading in this thread anyone saying a player never has the right to get offended by another...