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This still only really works if you assume 'survive or die' is the only actual challenge available. I know for a fact (because I did it Saturday) that you can have engaging and exciting combats that require tactics without death on the table. And though it's been walked back to better fit an...

But you keep complaining about how hard it is to make happen. So how much of that zero is to your credit? And if all of it is to your credit, what is the problem: you're not trying to kill the party and it's not happening. Looks like it's all according to plan and you get to eat someone's...

Maybe if we used actual stakes rather than the one stake mainstream entertainment has been allowed to use in anything for the past quarter decade the stakes wouldn't be threatened by the threat of wasting a player's time and effort.

Is it more or less frustrating than the realization that the DM is actually against you, not in the kayfabe sort of way and is real salty that they think it's too hard to take your character away?

It's not about implausible, it's about what's happening in-universe an in-narrative. In-universe, just to many people reach the same level of power and make the choice to bring people back to life. Maybe they're just as in love with the concept of death and insistent on going against 50,000...

Had to be said. Especially since like a lot of things, this was not the actual intent of that ruleset, but something that emerged in the world that has been hampering their intended design.

His entire thing is about the heroes knowing they're not going to die, not the player. But I'm not getting caught in another semantic slog with you so this is the end get your last shot in and I'm just not going to reply.

That wasn't the thing DC was saying and therefore not the point!

And that's where understanding that the rules are for PCs and not a physics book comes in clutch!

Am I the only one who has had the hellish experience of trying to rehabilitate players who are absolutely terrified to do things they think would be fun because they've had characters killed for not being 'careful' enough for the DM's liking?

A player who leaves the game when their character dies might have just been taught not to take the risk of playing in that group. Isn't part of the exercise involuntary operant conditioning to teach players lessons?

90's metaplot was a plague on the industry, yes.

To be fair that's a common thing with writers given an assignment to 'shake things up'. They tend to over reach, change things that are of fundamental importance to the fans' parasocial relationship with that story, and in general do something big and sweeping in a non-organic way.

but you can choose not to get what you don't want without always getting what you want. Who wins or loses Minecraft, or the telephone game or many other social collaboration games? Not all games have winners or losers and in fact a very common refrain is that you can't 'win' D&D. There can...

Elf game is a way to refer to this game way too many people take waaaaaaa (a times10^10^10^50)y too seriously for the fact that we're playing pretend with books and dice.

Why do we have so many huge books when this sentence is the history of D&D?

Keith was very emphatic that your Eberron is your Eberron and thus kept it free of the curse of 90's metaplot. The base setting is always a few years after the Last War with some guidance on playing earlier or later.

That's what I'm playing elf game to get away from!

Except you can in a game of imagination. You can exclude whatever you want with your group. Why is taking a character away or making it easier to take a characters away so important? Why does there need to be a penalty? This is something I never understood about old school play: the need for...

This sentence? This sentence is the virulent poison that continues to plague this discussion. The accusation that playing without death, or playing using skills or any other 'bad' way to play means the player is putting in no effort, is instantly willing or some other condescending pejorative...