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http://www.wizards.com/playdnd/playdnd.asp Is it just me, or did they make a mistake, something attacking with its club, and its claws, and a bite? *im just thinking here holding a club would use at least one of your hands, thus only one claw could be made* edit : n/m its only making one claw...

going by the text, why dont i think you could do all three at once? disarm - As a melee attack (to me reads, you can use your melee attack to) attempt to disarm. Your using your melee attack to disarm, its now a disarm attempt, and not a melee attack (note this doesnt let you say I win, its...

@ RigaMortus2 I take it your trying to suggest that without the table you wouldnt be able to do any of those attack at any time, thus you need the table to tell you when you can do them. I disagree, because when you refer to the text, your still assuming the table is there. As a melee...

Roflmao no way, of course not, that would be ridiculous. You didnt specify as throwing, so i thought i'd be a snarky butt i knew what you meant, heh, sorry

You can indeed sunder with a throwing axe :P

or a war/favoured soul

I apologize for the unfair portrayal of your posiition, however i did attempt to note that your argument does comprise of a lot more. I more meant i'll leave it to you to insert your argument there, cause i couldnt do (or rather, didnt feel it was my right to do) what was just pointed out -...

Im in concurrance with you on most points there legildur. I dont buy that because the language is so so slightly different (but still having the same meaning) that you could draw irrefutable proof that it means it was to be used differently. I see two standpoints on this, those that believe...

And i never said thier word is law I did however, quote a designer saying that the intent was as such. But, of course, that is not raw.

I recall him stating he agrees that without the table blah blah And him adding his own words. But he never actually said what those words, without adding words too them, mean Yes, and this is how all other sources cited say it was meant to be written, and how it works. This is adding words...

And lo and behold two game designers and a faq state that they meant as you suggest and whats written. They've said that yeah, guess what? You can use it as a melee attack whenever you make a melee attack. Just as it says.

Hyp, without adding your own words what does the text "You can use a melee attack to" mean to you? I just want to know where your difference is comming from

@ RigaMortus2 Your very right, by that text, you can make an grapple or a trip aswell on an aoo, which you can, so what point exactly are you trying to make? And what are you talking about, he quoted a rule, as a melee attack You can make melee attacks on your turn, as part of a standard...

Heh i apologize for passing you over, i dont have much time to spend on here, and was really into it with hyp there. Its not that i was disregarding you its just i had my mind on other things. But aside from that fact, i never made any claims on disarm, nor do i intend to get into an argument...

Well i apologize for being hot headed, and i know it was only making me look bad. Thanks for your comment as well.

wh...what? You've stated earlier that you'd agree with the text how its written, if it wasnt for the table. You've also contradicted that statement. The table doesnt change how the text is written. And now two game designers and an official faq state that the text does explicitly state it is...

Hey, i dindt say it had the most ever, if your in the D&d rules section, at you click on the replies button to list them by replies, this comes up first.

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I can point you to a warforged mage illustration that may just disagree with that rather bold statement It may have say, slightly thicker arms, but that in no way proves strength. As its hard to compare wood constructs to muscle in terms of how big they are determining thier strength.