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But then what do you do if, for whatever reason, Heironeous has to appear in person in a given situation, and you have two different players at the table whose characters both worship him, but put forwards radically different notions of his dogma and expectations. Merely by the fact that he...

Hmmm...."in on the joke" is not quite what I meant...I don't think planescape is inherently as cynical a setting as you make it out. It certainly CAN BE, I mean, it's a product of the 90s, THE age of the dark and gritty anti-hero. If you want to run planescape as a John Constantine-esque world...

I never said you aren't arguing in good faith JamesonCourage, I just think you're arguing from a framework that would better support your position. You want things to be a certain way, and in this case, for them to be that way you need to minimize the relevance of Gods to the questions we're...

JamesonCourage, As for reliability...a certain degree of "my way or the highway" is inherently part of how paladins are. If you refuse to do things his way, the code bars him from being able to help you. Cedric is no different, he just has a different "my way" than perhaps the stereotypical...

define reliable, if Cedric does not meet your definition. You say yourself, he's probably honest and would keep his word (though admittedly these contingencies have not been explicitly spelled out), his personal habits are extremely regular, he can always be counted on to do his duty...what...

Oh dear, I seem to have failed to notice a bunch of stuff in a spoiler tag. I'm an idiot. I apologize, JamesonCourage, I was not intentionally avoiding your question. Covering those issues first, and the questions you raise with Cedric's lawful alignment, point for point, 1: Does Cedric...

As I've said before, I don't believe circumstances can MAKE a person evil, I don't believe a valid moral system can exist where a person is evil no matter what they do. faced with two horrible choices, a good person who makes the less horrible choice for the right reasons (mainly "because it's...

JamesonCourage, we definitely agree on the concept of do good or die trying, but in my opinion, die trying should be a last resort, and sometimes a paladin has to make compromises with the real world, just as some people have brought up in this thread that the mining industry, in medieval times...

JamesonCourage, I'm definitely starting to see the paladin you envision taking shape in my mind now. One who fights in a showy fashion not because he's a vain glory hound, but to inspire the people who see him in action, to display not his own glory, but the glory of goodness and the glory of...

well, THEORETICALLY Superman can be defeated without kryptonite. I've HEARD "Batman can beat Superman without kryptonite" arguments before that theoretically work, but most revolve around laughable extremes of the whole "Batman is prepared FOR EVERYTHING" argument and involve Batman being able...

heh...I joined this board because I saw this thread and it looked really interesting. I've been glad I did so far, the posters seem extremely erudite and civil. A bit on the Jedi...I'm very much looking at old republic days here. post empire Jedi Order I consider neutral good, because Luke...

wow, Mallus, I consider myself informed. Clearly, later iterations of the rules realized what a BAD IDEA a system like that was, since nothing like that made it into modern versions of the game. As a matter of fact, if a player in my game had a paladin behave like that, they would probably...

S'mon, wow, okay, that is waaaay before my time, but I'll take your word for it. However, I'm curious, was the lack of missile weapons part of a paladin's code of honor, or was it simply a game mechanic that paladins couldn't equip these weapon types, like how in, for example, world of...

ummm...excuse me, but....why is kicking someone in the groin dishonorable? If you're fighting a red dragon, is it dishonorable to cast a cold spell on it? If Batman is fighting Superman, is it dishonorable for him to use kryptonite? What about stories about dragons, like Fafnir or the dragon...

Well, this thread has been necroed years after the last response before, and it's SUCH A GOOD THREAD, I figure I can throw in my two cents even though I'm late to the party. Now, I haven't read all 82 pages here, but I've read the first few pages and most of the fiction to form an opinion. To...