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Would that be worth it though? See I'm looking at doing a mix of classes while still getting a decent race and I actually confirmed yesterday with the DM that we do -not- get skill points at first level normally, so we have to buy all of our skill points. While I will agree with you that CHA...

See this isn't MY campaign Kit, it's a campaign that I'll be playing in, hence the 150 points at 1st level then 10 points every level thereafter (190 at level 5)

Allow me to add in this note: For stat rolls, I currently have: 10 15 15 16 16 16

Well if they're refusing to purchase the books they need to use, I assume your friends all have access to a computer with internet at some point in time or another? If they don't want to buy the books simply DL them from a site and go over it with them or just if they want to use other content...

I'm not too well versed in what's in the books and stuff but I'd probably have to side with the player if you're only allowing those books, the phb and dmg doesn't offer much to even the basic classes. . . LA 3 is a bit much, I'm going to be DMing a campaign of my own here in a week (maybe 2)...

Sounds good. Thanks Kit.

I suppose we could at least toss around some ideas for characters though in the mean time while we wait for the master spellcaster dudes to awake from their slumber! I've always been a fan of rogue types or even rangers depending on what I want to do with my characters, I've had interest in...

Hmm, I'm nothing like the build optimizers around here or the internet but the last build that I was going to essentially create was a wisdomancer type that utilized Wisdom for everything (saves,ab,ac, etc.) and am not too well versed with any of the PrC classes either. . . Although recently I...

This thread is being created to pick up the discussion that originated in the Vow of Poverty thread without spamming it with unnecesarry non thread related information! The current build point system is as follows: Skills: 1 point per 4 skill points Feats: 3 points for tier 1 (basic feats) 5...

Might I suggest we should probably make a separate thread for this topic, since the original discussion on VoP has reached its end?

Yes once you spend the 50 points you get the entire classes spell progression, spells per day, everything involving that spellcaster for 50 points (you don't need to spend anymore points on spells or anything related therein)

Hmm, I have put some thought into what I could get away with in this type of campaign but. . . I'm not completely versed on the point system, but this IS what I know so far: Class Abilities/Spell progression: 50 points Skills: 1 point per 4 skill points HD Upgrade (each character has a set D6...

Looks like he's not going to allow it, no matter how underpowered it is so. . . Oh well, back to the drawing board! Thanks everyone for the advice!

Wow that's fantastic. . . Thanks a bunch Jack, really appreciate it. Matt

Well I've done that and am currently awaiting a response, as I've posted SEVERAL links on the matter that it simply doesn't compare to your average adventurer in a standard campaign. Not to mention he's allowing us to be specific in our crafting proficiencies (he's even allowing us to take feats...

That was just an example I'm not actually fully briefed on the cost of everything, but before we get too off track. . . Is there anything I can possibly do to convince my DM to allow me to take VoP?

See here's the thing with that, is were not taking ACTUAL classes, it's up to us to BUY the things we want our characters to perform (for example, it costs 50 points to buy a spellcaster/psions spell/ability progression, or 50 points to buy a monk's progression)

Well see since there's really no rule on how you go about spending your points I was intending on making a Monk like character with Psionic abilities (btw my deity was going to be Ilmater) Just to try and offer some variety with my character since generally I don't try to do TOO much with my...

Ok so obviously I'm a bit late into this discussion but. . I'm deployed in Afghanistan right now and am wanting to make a Monk type character with VoP (I've done lots of research into it already but am having an extremely difficult time convincing my DM that it's not obscenely overpowered the...