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D&D-style elf. Vulcan. Klingon. The 1st two i just never got into. The last actively annoys me. Also, as a general rule, i don't play humans. I'm [debatably] human every day--i want to be something else when i'm RPing. Now, i'm not a pain about it--if a non-human would be way out of place in...

Speaking of incorrectly-used terminology: splatbook =/= sourcebook A splatbook is a very specific type of sourcebook. It is (1) player-focused, (2) about a specific character group (class, race, clan, guild), and (3) generally only covers one element of a set. [I actually suspect point 3 is a...

AFAIC, Spycraft, Grimm, and Mutants & Masterminds are "D20 System". Castles & Crusades probably still qualifies (though, in fairness, i haven't read it yet). D&D3E-compatible? no. D20 System-logoed? no. But D20 System? yes.

Which was sort of my point, though i might've been unclear. Now, realistically, there are quite a few other defining elements of DL, such as the wizardry and knightly orders, the ongoing dragon wars, the relationships between magic and moons and gods and priests, and so on. But, for every...

Maybe. But then this thread is about how to convert the un-converted. By definition, they aren't going to be "real fans", and won't be particularly familiar with the nuances. Also, i suspect that sales of the first two trilogies significantly dwarfs sales of any given later book, skewing general...

Interesting. Never ran into those folks. Back when DL was new, most of my gaming buddies and i read the first trilogy or two. And that was it. I bought the sourcebooks, but not the modules--but then, i've never really bought pre-written scenarios for any RPG. I never even bothered looking at the...

Also, by being significantly different from Ansalon, it probably doesn't appeal to hardcore DL fans as much, just as it might appeal more to people who atherwise aren't fans of DL. When the Taladas box came out, i didn't even give it a look, because it was DL. Now, years later, i'm trying to...

Not necessarily. Once i've got enough to bring the setting to life, my biggest complaint about game lines (and that goes for setting lines, too), is releasess coming out faster than i can keep up. So, on this criteria alone, Greyhawk is preferable to me.

Is this really any more true than for elves, dwarves, etc., in most D&D settings? Or, for that matter, non-humans in most fantasy and scifi?

Quick counter-point: if you run the same world with, say, D&D3E, and then Storyteller, how badly a fall hurts would change drastically, and it could be argued that gravity *has* changed, from a game-mechanical POV, at least.

Well, in order to make it appeal to me: lose gully dwarves lose tinker gnomes lose kender better define irda so they aren't just ueber-elves Really, that's about it. Those first three are what kept me from ever playing DL as a setting--and, among the literally hundreds of PCable races i...

Man, we need some better terminology--damn you, WotC, and your attempt to proprietize a common noun! <shakes fist at sky> Anyway, that was a bit of a double-take for me: I think of Castles & Crusades as "D20 System"--after all, it's based on the D20SRD, and it's basically just a streamlined...

You should take a look at After Man: A Zoology of the Future, by Dougal Dixon. A fairly complete alien, though Earthly, ecology, that you could easily stick into your fantasy world, completely replacing squirrels and dogs and horses. And with lavish illustrations, to boot. I tried it once, but...

I'm not sure to what degree this applies, but let me toss out an observation: 1: Darn near every RPG i've played other than D&D3E (and some other D20 System instantiations) has armor that reduces damage in some way, sometimes instead of, sometimes in addition to, affecting the chance to be hit...

Oh, Narnia. That surprises me less. I was thinking someone who didn't want their kids to read CS Lewis, period. I mean, i know he's not perfectly in line with all sects of Xianity, but i thought he was one of the safer ones.

Yeah, you're right, i wasn't thinking in that mindset. Or, more accurately, i presumed the person i was answering wasn't. If you define "as cheap as possible" to include clauses like "without poisoning the evnironment" or "while shopping locally" or any number of other ethical consumer criteria...

That's what libraries are for. If i'm gonna buy a novel, it'll be (1) paperback and (2) used. Only books i buy are ones that i'll read multiple times and/or reference somewhat regularly. Needless to say, my fiction collection fits on a couple shelves, while my nonfiction collection takes up a...

Pagan parents, right? Or are they just that ignorant?

Interesting. Everybody i know still has a pretty good-sized pile of college textbooks, years later. I know my philosophy was to try my damnedest not to take courses i wasn't interested in. And if i'm interested in the topic, that means i want to read about it, so i still own every college...

That sort of thing seems to be happening more and more, in lots of areas. I notice that when oil prices go up, gas prices go up (even though the oil in the pumps came out of the ground how many months previous?). When oil prices go down, gas prices never go down nearly as much, if at all (at...