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  1. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    I can neither strictly agree nor disagree with this sentiment. While it should be a game design objective to make the game as simple as possible, it must also be as simple as possible while retaining the design goals you have for it. And therein lies the problem with designing a new iteration of...
  2. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    I'm talking about the system itself. basically everything that happens follows all the same general rules. While there's wiggle room, everything that happens is basically a combination of the same variables with different values, which was not true in older editions, especially pre-3E. Back...
  3. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    I do think the idea of modular modification is a good one, but at what point is it too much? At what point do you have too much "The fighter gains a d10 HPs per level. For a less random HP total, the Fighter gains 6 HPs per level. For a grittier game, the Fighter gains a d6 HPs. For a less...
  4. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    Hrm... sort of. A system which is very complex, the complexity would certainly make altering it more difficult relative to other systems. However, with a system like 4E, the base system itself is actually very simple. As, in my not entirely humble opinion, it should be. When the base system is...
  5. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    I see where this is coming from, but at the same time my nigh irrelevant anecdotal evidence of personal games contradicts what you're claiming. I've never had a problem with anything from adding additional powers to altering the feel of the game as a whole. I'm not going to claim it didn't...
  6. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    You can dislike me, you can dislike my manner, but I'm not lying. Maybe I'm incapable of really understanding, maybe there is no consistency and it's all just arbitrary, maybe something in-between, maybe people don't like being questioned about their tastes and beliefs, presuming any kind of...
  7. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    I haven't demanded anything. Someone said "Well, these other games totally do the realism thing better than D&D!", so I suggested playing those games instead of D&D, since the problem is realism. Well that was the wrong answer, too. I'm just looking for consistency, and I can't seem to find it...
  8. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    Nobody inside that fantasy world knows why it happens. They've been living with it so long, they simply understand it as how the world works. They don't have the sensitive instruments to determine exactly why it happens. The DM may have come up with a reason, he may not have, but it's obvious...
  9. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    No, I understand that it breaks your suspension of disbelief, I'm simply baffled about that. I'm curious, if you were playing on a world that was literally broken far in the past, beyond what any modern societies know how it happened, and due to this cataclysmic event, whatever it was, the world...
  10. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    Why? It's what you do with anything else. If you don't like a certain food, you either alter the recipe until you do like it, or you eat something else. Don't like how unrealistic a fantasy game is? Change it until you like it, or play something else. It's not ballsing up, it's a practical...
  11. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    I half expect it to be a quote mine, where the words were shared, but out of context. I'd check, but I don't have my DMG, and won't for almost a year.
  12. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    You can make as many supplemental, or "house", rules as you desire. I mean, if people don't like when a game isn't realistic, citing that other games are realistic... if this is such a hitch for you, I don't understand why you stick to the less realistic one. Or does it wind up that it's not...
  13. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    Good on you and your friends. Have a ball. You and your friends are not other people, who don't want that kind of realism, who don't find realism to be all that fun. I don't know what skipping gate guard talks has to do with any of this. I don't see the connection. To many RPG players, the game...
  14. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    It was or was not divine intervention regardless what I think of the situation. If you do like the mechanic that failing a climb check or two means you're almost assuredly going to die, unless you bought those feather fall items, cool. That's you. I'm not arguing about how a game should or...
  15. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    Then play those ones. I'm simply answering the questions of the thread. I, like many others, do not want our RPGs to be realistic because realistic is boring or, worse, full of horrible consequences for the actions heroes take. Further, Games are simply bad at mimicking real life, unless they...
  16. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    You know there have been people in real life who have walked away from falls at terminal velocity with scratches and bruises, though more often, if they live, they have broken bones and such. There have also been real life war heroes who, even though they sustained a large volume of injuries...
  17. CroBob

    Optimizers, oh my!

    Then that.
  18. CroBob

    Optimizers, oh my!

    Well, it also matters what the player's attitude and intents are. If he's insulting another player for a sub-optimal choice, that's kind of a dick move. If, on the other hand, he's simply attempting to be informative and help out one of his fellow players, that's entirely different. Yes, saying...
  19. CroBob

    Optimizers, oh my!

    I figure I'll simply go Druid. If I find a group too stubborn to play 4E I'm gonna druid all over the place, and I won't even use anything outside of Core to do it. But seriously, as long as everyone's having fun, then whatever. I don't think a game is actually a good game if you need to ignore...
  20. CroBob

    Why is realism "lame"?

    Because realistic = very like real life, and real life = boring. Put on a 40 pound suit of armor, pop that 80 pound ruck-sack on your back, add a weapon to four on there, some knives, maybe some stickychewy, then walk around the country side. Fire some bottle rockets at people who try to pick a...
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