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Sure, I understand this, and I think it was a sensible approach, totally in keeping with the spirit of the exercise, but of course... Well yes. I have no argument with any of this. In my alternate take on them above, I changed the magical focus from illusions to enchantments to emphasise this...

Halfies On a similar vein, and since they've been mentioned a lot in this thread, here's my Eberron take on the halfling. These guys require way less adjusting. Again, italicised text is where I've made changes: · +2 Dexterity, –2 Strength. · Small: As a Small creature, a halfling gains a +1...

Money not mouth What do you think of this as an alternate set of racial attributes? Note that this is specifically designed aorund gnomes as they appear in Eberron. It largely and deliberately ignores their past (at least, their past as according to Keith Baker in his Dragonshard articles on...

Thanks Letters - so you keep the existing core rules mechanics for the critter? Page four! We're onto page four!

Between you and Whizzy, I'm getting a dodgy rep here. Excellent...

I suggest the following key components: explosive oil contact poison negative energy swarm template

<Chuckle> That's good.

Vocenoctum - they're small creatures, those halflings, and it's a long way up to the top of a dinosaur. Of course they need climb! And it's easier to mount a dinosaur if you creep-up on it first - those dinos just love surprises! Hey, you've got me. Anyway, how did you manage to side-track...

Fair do's, Mousy, no offence intended. I love rodents, I really do. You're probably right, and I shall seek out the nearest gnome to translate as I discuss with a local rat the socio-political dimensions in modern literature. Or something. I love rats!

Can't say I see any real disjunction between a halfling's mechanics and its Eberron flavour: Extra Dex, less Strength Bonus to Climb, Jump, Listen and Move Silently Saving throw bonuses Bonus with thrown weapons and slings None of that seems irrelevant to a nomadic dinosaur-rider. But...

Well, arguably the other spell-like abilities (dancing lights, ghost sound, prestidigitation) do play to both the bardic and spy-like angles. Eberron gnomes are elementals binders - I wonder if there's anything here that could be used, eg spells cast relating to elementals +1 (or even the...

(Assuming sarcasm) Well, you know, according to my new favorite webpage - (http://www.enchantedlearning.com/coloring/Underground.shtml - rodents aren't burrowing animals. Or at least rats aren't. But I admit my knowledge of fossorial creatures is limited. Besides, what could the rat tell you...

Plus they have stupid names. So there.

Can you believe we're on to a third page of this discussion? Gnomes, for goodness sake, gnomes! Lots of people have good takes on gnomes - I too like the Eberron approach - but my beef is still the disjunction between these new takes and their mechanics (I'm putting the fey-gnomes slant to one...

Ha! Touche. Or, indeed, a good scrubbing by a dire hedgehog.

No match for my Eberronian Horrid Sea Cucumber! While he attacks your 'hog I shall bind an elemental into my spy-cloak and make pretty lights appear in the sky.

I think that for me there's a disjunction between this sort of mechanical stuff and the presentation of gnomes. The 3.5 PHB presents them as gypsy-looking, charming, bardic dudes. But then... they speak to moles. Eberron presents them as diplomatic, intriguing lovers of espionage - oh and...

I've always had a problem with gnomes. I was liking what Eberron dod to them, but then re-reading the SRD, I saw this little gem that I'd been trying to forget: Spell-Like Abilities: 1/day—speak with animals (burrowing mammal only, duration 1 minute). They speak with burrowing animals...

A second voice for those old Howery Dungeon adventures - really well conceived and executed, but simple-enough to add-on where necessary. The bad guys NPC party in 'The Elephant's Graveyard' nearly did for my group, many years back, and produced one of those wonderful, tense sessions for which...

Good stuff, thanks for the war stories. Nice dark elf riff too Psion. Cheers