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I was never referring to 3.5. 1E / 2E.

Why don't we shift the discussions away from wizards for a moment? This has been an argument for a long while and it will never be resolved (IMO). Lets look at it from a fighter / rouge perspective. For those who are wanting the Conan, 300, etc. what do you think about a rouge being able to...

Agreed, but is this a responsibility of the rules or of the DM? I think thats where the major difference of opinions arises from. Some want the balance forced through the rules, others think it should be more of a DM / party / story component.

I agree 100% that this is what D&D was derived from. However, just because it was derived from a tactical wargame did not mean it did not evolve from being a tactical wargame. Also, 100% agree. The same can be said with a roleplaying game. If a player wizard is inherently more powerful, the...

I was using that example as a roleplaying / fun example, not a literal power example. And I think that is the crux of the issue - class balance is looked at by the majority of players from a purely combat and mechanical perspective. It seems a lot of people have lost the narrative roots of...

Extremes - thats what I think hurts the discussion of class balance. The whole concept of "Well, if my fighter cannot cause as much damage in a round as a wizard who casts a meteor swarm, then I am done!". This is a tactical wargame balance argument, not a roleplaying argument. Why can the...

Amen to that! Class balance is imperative in a tactical war game (which I felt 4E developed into) played on a battle mat or in an MMO, but does not need to be so ingrained in a roleplaying game. There are narrative aspects that cannot be achieved with true class balance.

I've primarily just lurked on the forums the past few years, but now that the new edition has been officially announced I wanted to discuss something that bothered me with 4E (and to some extent 3.5). What is the obsession with class balance? Why should a magic-user and fighter or rouge and...