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I completely disagree with you there Sigil. You're still talking about learned behaviour, not something that is instinctual. Language is not instinctual. It is learned behaviour. We are not born knowing how to speak the languuage of our country/parents, we learn it. As a wizard is not born...

Does anyone have a link to Monte's sorcerer by the way? Count me in as a non-believer in material components for sorcerers. The analogy to dragons, demons and such using magic is perfect. I seriously doubt a pit fiend is going to pull out a bag of bat guano prior to hitting you with a 1000d6...

Morning everyone. :) Ok lets take a step back away from mechanics and look at the foundations of the class. Church of Bob is lawful evil, their clerics maintain an important role as the string pullers of the monarchy. Their focus is religion and politics and they have always used the military...

Well rather than a gratuitous bump, I'll post some real feedback in support of the product. I think its a great idea and while your analogy to reading a computer game manual without playing it is a bit excessive :) I definitely see your point. Reminds me a bit of Monte's rant about game...

Keep in mind this is an officer of the church, rather than a noble warrior. They should for all intents and purposes, be quite similar to a paladin, keeping in mind they can be of any lawful alignment. My campaign setting has a strong emphasis on religion and politics in that most of the major...

And so the stress begins.. mechanics can be such a pain :)

I actually have Defenders of the Faith. But as I mentioned, I'm more intersted in a core class replacement. Prestige classes have never sat that well with me, especially for basic archetypes. :) Edit: another reason is that IMO it would be unbalancing (and just plain wrong) to allow paladins as...

There are three primary religions in my campaign, all of which are well suited to having an order of holy knights (LG, LN, LE) and rather than create a new prestige class, I am considering replacing the paladin class with a lawful based archetype that would suit the setting. Has anyone else...

Hmm I thought it was pretty clear. Well, as the post stated, why do souls end up in hell/abyss rather than the domain of the gods? It was all question rather than a statement of my campaign. It was in response to some posts earlier in the thread about Asmodeus and ilk not being the "Satan" of...

Thanks Greg. If only the PHB was as clear as the SRD! :)

No comments on this..?

Well it seems I've been doing it wrong all along. Up until now, I've been doing the following: Multiclass characters buy all skills at the most favorable cost of either of their classes. i.e. If a character is a level 1 rogue, then they multiclass to rogue 1/fighter 1, they would still buy all...

Quite the contrary. Forcing characters to accept the healing power of demon worshippers would make it all the more tasty. :) There would have to be some overriding themes to the campaign to give the whole setting relevancebut I think it could really work. Like I said, not everything needs to be...

Well lets make things a little more complicated, talking out of a 3e perspective for now. :) I can't recall exactly what is written in Manual of the Planes but I believe Armies of the Abyss is consistent with it in that the souls of (chaotic) evil mortals wind up in the Abyss. (And likewise the...

Erik, if you need a hand let me know. :) I can spare a little time, especially when something is this interesting. I have to admit, your book was the first d20 product I've bought in a while that has actually inspired me. Kudos.

You're missing my original point. There are no forces of good (as far as clerics go). :) A little imbalance can be fun. The only religious types are worshippers of demon princes. Would make for a very cool twist on perception of clerics as was mentioned above. I would totally take this on as a...

Those who own the book will know what I'm talking about. There are some blurbs in there for campaign ideas, one being the scenario as described in the thread subject. The gods have left or died. Demons provide the only "spiritual guidance" for the populace in the form of clerics/thaumaturges...

Ahh I was misunderstanding the whole "we need a new server" thing.

I don't know if you know, but the kenzer & co website is down about 9 times out of 10 any given day. Maybe its time to invest in a new hosting service. Just an FYI.

Well someone has to play devil's advocate so why not me. :) Typical disclaimers. All respect intended etc. Not intended as a flame but as a reasonable counter. "Cool features" such as the ability to search a message board are not cool but rather expected from any and all forum systems. Stuff...