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That does not hold for all the old fantasy though. Look at gilgamesh, Enkidu is created to teach gilgamesh some humility and in the process becomes his best friend, then because gilgamesh wants his deeds known he kills the giant, because he kills the giant Ishtar notices him and wants him for a...

great, Im not even going to look at the article, because I only play 4e now. I dont know why they would publish something for a defunct system though.

Most of modern fantasy is based on old mythology. Especially the races. And yeah Gilgamesh is awsome, as is the Ramayana, Journey to the west, Odyssey, Illiad, not to mention the oral tradditions of a number of peoples. You could say that modern fantasy in a way pays homage to our past, and...

Id say the biggest diffrence is that modern fantasy seems to be shoe horned into speciffic tropes. The same races, and ideas seem to get rehashed a lot. Tolkien pretty much created the genre and a lot of writers have looked to his material for insperation, which means a lot of modern fantasy...

the only time Im okay with outright banning something is if their is a setting specific reason, like my groups current 4e game Eladrin are unheard of thus no eladrin pcs at the moment. Banning something simply because someone does not like it is really limiting.

Ive never heard of earth dawn so can someone give a brief overview please?

change is good though, and how is the fluff any worse than the fluff for any other race? I mean I love the new art for dwarves but their fluff could come straight out of tolkien. Which is really bland. Personally I like the fluff for both tieflings and dragonborn, as do according to the poll...

Im going to ask the people who think tieflings and dragonborn should not be core one question. Why? Why should they not be core? Just because tolkien did not have them?

I like the more monsterous aperance of the dragonborn, and like I said earlier the only thing I do not like about tieflings is the tail. But then Im inclined to like anything that adds beyond the tolkienesqueness of dnd.

the dragonborn boobs arent a problem for me. After all its not as if dragonborn have beaks, or something else which would preclude breast feading. No where does it say dragons do not nurse their young. Im willing to go with it because its fanatasy.

Reasons why I despise dragonlance. Id also say more people like the new races then do not from the polls.

yeah I like the unified backstory for tieflings, I think it makes them more of a race than an occasional accident, Im even okay with the horns and eyes, its just the big huge tails that I do not like. As for dragonborn, yeah I wish they had wings, but I love their backstory and fluff. Unlike...

It is if the only reason they say that they dont like it is that it does not follow tolkien or traditional fanatasy.

I like tieflings, and have never really liked gnomes that much. In fact Im playing a tiefling fey pact lock right now. Who is not even that emoish, mostly cheerful, but very secretive, and never answers a question straight. Though I must say I like the new gnome more than the old, but then...

heaven forfend they change the race line up at all. Seriously these are based on myths and folklore as much as anything in dnd is. As I said before I like to see new things included. And frankly the fluff, and background for the two races is pretty cool. I think each of them add something...

Im playing a tiefling fey pact lock right now, personally I like the new fluff better. Then again Im inclined to like anything that breaks the LOTR mold. It was a great series of books but Im sick of games even somewhat based on it.

It is a game first and formost. They had to do something to balance the classes, and this was the easiest most effective way to do it. Frankly I dont have a problem with it.

I love the new races, why because finally we have races that are not based strait out of tolkien. About friggin time.

well our group has only had a couple of easy battles, but even so our fighter almost got dropped. We were supposed to take this mob boss alive, and we had just found his office, our rogue was the only one in the room and was talking to buy the rest of us time to get there. Our warforged...

4th eddition all the way, I love the simplified/unified mechanics. As far as Im concerened its the best rpg system yet published.