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I guess flame wars are unavoidable; people get set in their ways and things invariably get heated. I do think it would be a shame to avoid C&C for a dislike of the fans though, because I really do think it can be a lot of fun, and rules lite enough to be attractive in getting newbees into the...

Anyway, I'm starting to not like the way I sound here. When all's said and done, at least we're all rpg'ers, and active in keeping this form of hobby alive. Seems we're a dying breed in the face of comp games.

Still seems odd. And this thread is about whether people have tried C&C, and then liked it. So it kind of lends itself to some people posting who liked it, and sharing their experiences.

That's really strange logic: "I won't drive cars anymore. I know a guy who listens to music I don't like, and who doesn't hold the views I do...and he drives a car. So I'll walk from now on." Honestly, that truly strikes me as unusual.

I think that part of the reason fans boast about C&C as a catch all system, is because of its ability to incorporate additional rules without much modification. So for me, I use the C&C PHB with the AD&D MM books (just changing AC) and the survival guides without alteration. Perhaps it would...

I have been guilty of bashing 3E, while at the same time exholting the values of C&C after I found it. I guess I had a lot of frustration built up because of the sheer complexity that was d20 at the time; it seemed to become less the fantasy game, and more the marvel super heroes game. It's...

Scurvy Platypus, I do get it now; I just needed clarification. And I wasn't attacking anyone, I truly didn't understand. It's funny you mention flame wars when all I asked was what was meant by the earlier statement by jdracka. so to me, your response seemed a bit loaded against me. Obviously...

I think I'm probably new to this argument, and I can understand that C&C isn't for everyone, but I'm not sure I understand your meaning. The SEIGE system does kinda handle everything.

mmm, slurp, slurp...tasty dragon/dungeon mags... Reverent goddess Blipdoolpoolp...send us more bubbly goodness.

I'll have to add that I'm almost exclusively a DM/GM/Ck,etc. so I love the fact that C&C is completely compatible with D20/AD&D, etc stuff. Indeedy, I've dusted off all of my AD&D resources and now spend time scouring hobby stores for old n' tasty Dungeon/Dragon mags. Understand that I'm not...

re: I tried it after playing D&D for twenty years or so, and then made the switch to C&C for all of my fantasy games. The SEIGE system actually gets addictive after a while.

I actually never did get into Greyhawk until a fews years back, when I found the 83' boxed set at a used book store. I still read it periodically, because of its rich human cultures: Baklunish, Sueloise, etc., its amazing variety of nations and empires, its open-ended plots and sub plots, the...

Here here!

C&C's lots o' fun!

You guys MUST get the original boxed set, before all the 'after gygax' influence. Honestly...

I've periodically tried to incorporate alcohol into games -both as a player and DM- and it always screws up my concentration. Plus, when I DM 'in the cups', every monster my players meet is drunk: drunk owlbears, drunk goblins...even a drunk gelatinous cube.

I agree, and I think that's why C&C appeals so much to me; it's amazing how creative players can be when they're free to operate 'out of the box'. Just the other night the group I was CKing was c forced to make camp next to a monster threat and suffered from fatigue and damage, etc. The...

I pretty much gravitated back to the 84' boxed set, so Greyhawk will remain my default setting. Man, there's just soooo much cool stuff and potential in this generic setting. I also use it for C&C.

This in no way is meant to start a flame war; I'm just genuinely curious if people have been exposed to C&C and later decided it wasn't for them. What were your reasons? What did the system lack for you?