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Beamer wakes with a fit and a start. He feels different somehow, though he can't quite put his finger on it. "Is that poor man any better?" OOC: Beamer is updated for 5th level and is awaiting approval. Can't wait for 6th!

"Woah, Zack!" Planus calls out as he strikes down the blinded gith. *I think* :heh: Planus calls out to Mongrel again "Mongrel make me strong!" and moves outside and fires an arrow at one of the archers. OOC: Cast divine favor. 5 foot step or move to a position to shoot the archers. bow...

This might be something to as the Enworld mods for another forum for. I enjoy an arena style battle once in awhile, and might even participate with some of my characters if they were better suited, but I wouldn't really want the characters to know about it and have to remember dying or killing...

No, its really not unless you as the DM decide that it is. It won't reveal the pass key, but it might reveal an alternative method of disrupting the plan. I certainly agree. However, in my example, the paladin truly did not know the rogue was even thinking about going in his stead. The...

If you've studied relativity, you'll note that absolute present-telling magic is pretty much the same thing as absolute future telling magic. But to avoid mixing my physics with my D&D, the troll example really illustrats my point. No matter what list you propose, it will likely be incomplete...

Granted, I guess the miracle in your example was more of an absolute present telling magic, though the end result was the same. I don't like the idea that the list is complete. I'm ok with the question, "How can we do this?" and the response "This will work." I'm not ok with the quesiton...

Definitely a slippery slope and one best to avoid in real life due to the fact that you never absolutely know anything, and especially because when you think you have an "either or" decision in real life, there is often a less obvious option that is better than either one, but you will never see...

I used the absolute truth telling magics just like you did in your dinner date example. I find an absolute "This will definitely happen unless you do this" to be just as frustrating as "This will definitely happen."

I agree that the OP's paladin did not handle the situation in precisely the best way - a warning would have been more appropriate, I think. Still, what if the imp then said to your paladin, "No thanks, I like the terms of our original agreement just fine and you are not allowed to add terms to...

Depends on the paladin. :) I agree it raises questions. That's the campaign where I play a Chaotic Good wizard who rescues as many children as possible and then is horror struck when he realizes the paladins are having such an easy time finding him because he detects as Chaotic Evil -...

I admit I am not well versed in the interpretations that have been made in various official sources. It sounds like the official answer is that they are both pure Evil and also capable of Good actions with Good motives. I find that contradictory on a philosophical level, though not surprising...

I bolded the part that is a fundamental difference in this conversation. I think IanB, Arkhandus, myself, and some others would say "This is true for humans (or sentients without an alignment subtype if you prefer) only." It is not true for fiends. I think this is spot on. I think it can be...

"You are right, Juliana. This place makes me nervous, but it is no worse than other places I have rested. I am tired of leaning on this wand and will do much better with my full compliment of spells if we meet another enemy." While they sit down to rest, Beamer becomes downcast and a bit...

Why is that just a question for the "Kill all Evil Outsiders! Always! Immediately!" folks? That sounds like a dilly of a pickle no matter what your paladin's beliefs.

To me? It doesn't matter. As I said previously, the fiend's existance is a threat to the good people of the prime material plane. I was hoping with the question to narrow down how immediate and probable the threat must be in order to make breaking the agreement the best choice. Assuming in...

Thanks for all the great work, KO! Its too bad Beamer and Banion will likely not have the Talon breathing down their necks, though they are pretty busy with their ever growing collection of other enemies so they may not even notice. ;)

Beamer puts his wand in his haversack, loads his crossbow, and keeps a wary eye out. He perches Louie on his shoulder to warn against anything invisible.

Congratulations, Bront!

And clearly if I'm ever in a game with a PC of yours, I'll need to be vigilent for your character falling into the traps laid by evil outsiders. ;)

Depends on the character and his relationships with the other characters.