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Perhaps I am reading too strongly into associate. That's a good thing if paladins are allowed a little more leeway than I thought in RAW. Honestly, I hate classes with built in flavor. Also, I hadn't looked at the "grossly violate" language. Apparently in RAW, a paladin can regularly violate...

So, is it ok for a paladin to have dinner with a different evil person every Tuesday?

Through his shiny example of piety. :) I agree the options other than A and B were not valid. I'm not really sure that option F is a real equivalent to what happened with the imp. As I understand it, they were in combat when the paladin realized the imp was an imp and the paladin slew the...

Wow are we ever talking about this from totally different perspectives. I'm trying to address what my paladin character would be thinking when presented with your situation. I'll admit I still think of paladins somewhat in 2nd edition terms. Ok, how's this for an even better plot. My paladin...

Btw, I agree that the paladin in the OP's scenario has acted dishonorably. However, the "wrong" thing the paladin did was enter an agreement with an unknown stranger without questioning the stranger's motives. Once presented with the situation of "Let imp leave with important item I know...

I knew that you'd know that someone would expect it. Did you know that? I guess I read "associate" as can't voluntarily be around. I might re-write the paladin's code for my game if I wanted to run such a scenario, but I do think a "dinner date" with a fiend is a violation of the code. If I...

Planus continues to call down the blessings of Mongrel, waiting for more of his companions to become visible before unleashing his hail of arrows. OOC: Ducane's balance is listed at +4. With the prayer that would be +5 so he made the DC 10 balance check against the grease, unless there is...

It depends on the personality of my the paladin I'm playing, but my character choses either in which case he falls from grace for breaking his oaths and either seeks atonement, or realizes that sometimes those damn paladin oaths just get in the way. He would probably no seek atonement because...

What if there were a town full of defenseless commoners just over the hill and the imp was headed that way? I fully agree that such is possible. It is also at least equally likely that the item was the final piece of an artifact required by Bob the Super Pit Fiend to complete his plan to end...

So would not attacking the imp be a violation of the paladin code if there are innocents in danger? If so, please define "innocents in danger."

"Is it, er, far? We could, ah, scout while we, er, wait for, hrm, the other's return."

This is really where we differ. In my opinion, a fiend does not get to be innocent until proven guilty. It is a force of nature created by an evil deity to plague the lives of all sentient creatures. Note, I'd be happy to play in a campaign that is much more gray where fallen angels and...

You can't make an agreement with a tornado. :)

In an attempt to continue my example, I find this example analogous to: A tornado is coming by and the druid could cast control winds to prevent it from harming the party. Instead, the party elects to let the tornado take its course hoping it will conveniently destroy the house and leave behind...

One more note that I think is important: In my opinion, a fiend's only tangible, real world equivalent, would be something like a tornado, which as far as I know has no ecological (or any other kind) of benefits. Killing a fiend would be equivalent to preventing tornados. Preventing tornados...

That is why I said "free to attack or not." The paladin can use his judgment to determine whether killing the fiend now does the most good or not killing the fiend now does the most good. A paladin should never enter into an agreement where one of the stipulations is "no killing devils." A...

A paladin - as written in the PHB - should never enter any agreement that does not contain a clause like "But you know I'm a paladin and my first duty is to those oaths to fight evil." The general, respecting that, should have communicated to the opposing general that he was bringing along a...

Planus knows he should wait for Iggy to summon his badger, but those summoning spells just take so long, and he had already been waiting in the mine for so long. He also knows Mongrel has given him just the right spells for this situation. He calls on Mongrel's blessing and as a result...

Nars breathes a sigh of relief that Gorefoot is not offended by the thought of dwarves mining his ancestral home. Nars can only imagine how poorly, perhaps violently, some of his own clan would react if the situation were reversed. In the end though, it does make good sense. He responds, "I...

"Mano is still alive, as are some of these others." With a level look at his companions, "We should make sure these others don't bother us again," he concludes pointing to the others still breathing. "Some of the enemy may have a healing wand as well. I don't want to come back to see these...