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See, now I think we're getting somewhere...and here's the final piece...once again, you're assuming there's some sort of antagonism between the DM and the players...that there's a separation between the DM and the Group. That the Group goes to the DM and tells the way it is. Is it hard to...

Ok, I'm not sure where this whole tying the DM's hands came from...you're not the first to mention it. Like many other things, someone made a ridiculous assumption and it got repeated as truth here. The only thing tying the DM's hands is the RULES. If the DM finds an interesting little item...

Oh oh oh. I just saw the "contradictory" posts. I missed those earlier. His timeline is a little messed up, so here goes. I have found things in Dragon that I wanted to use. I have third party books where there are a couple of things to use. The CONSENSUS of the party was, naw, better not...

Sunshine, we can talk about that all you want, because I'm an English teacher and would move heaven and earth if I could get more parents involved in their kids' learning. And you didn't answer MY question, that would checking, say, your third grader's math homework be a violation of trust...

And I'd laugh in the face of any DM that tried to set himself up as God. Simple as that. Why would you assume the games are anarchy? If they were, would I be defending myself and my friends so much? Seriously...why would you say that? I've known my regular DM for over 20 years. I value him...

Oh. I didn't realize I was speaking with the arbitrer of all reality. I had no idea that things could ONLY BE DONE YOUR WAY. I like to do things a different way. See, we call that "variety." I assume you've heard of it, but don't understand what it means. Oh, so you'll just toss someone...

YES! Thank you Jeebus. Someone gets it. I talk about group consensus...someone tells me I'm playing the wrong way and that I can't possibly be having any fun or imagination.

So....rules and consistency = wargame. Well, that clears it up. My bad. Guess we play wargames. I said that the DM MAKES mistakes. And when making mistakes equals a 500 hit point blow, uh, yeah, forgive me for wanting to avoid those mistakes. Wow. So, if you double check your child's...

Well, we don't play in a world where the DM's whims change the fundamentals of the game for the rest of us. Why should we even play then? But anyway, what's with this "wargamey" assumption. As someone pointed out, even just using core Epic rules can be a nightmare, with the complexities. Try...

No, I'm just floored that people here can't see that maybe, just maybe, there's a group of people that can come to a consensus about the rules they choose to use. And apparantly, that's shocking. Disgusting. Unimaginative. Old school. Not fun. And therefore, wrong. And somehow, it's...

This is very true. So why complicate things with even MORE random stuff to keep track of. I don't understand why this discussion is strange. In our group, the DM works WITH the players. In some of the other campaigns going on the DM seems to be working AGAINST the players. What I find it...

I don't understand the huge leap between playing by the rules and stifling imagination. Did the DM just create a feat for the simple purpose of making an enemy tougher? That's balanced? Yeah, that's objectionable. Magic bullet villains are VERY objectionable. Don't know what they're...

OK. If that's the assumption, let me try to address that. No, "basically" it's a matter of free access and preparation for all. It's also an opportunity to make sure nobody makes mistakes. I can't tell you how many times we have had to stop the game to make sure everyone is using Time Stop...

Well, I do consider being called "a museum piece to be poked and prodded" more or less a position to defend...! Unit! Corps! God! Country! DM! That's just what I see. I suppose if you guys have fun playing that way, that's ok. Can't say I understand it, but I don't understand why people...

Ooohh...pulling out the "no offense intended" card...curse you! Look, I don't understand why it's archaic to have, you know, DEFINED RULES. As opposed to what I see as, well, as the anarchic viewpoint of these free-love long-haried hippy commune drink-the-kool-aid-because-DM-is-God gaming...

Bet you follow the MM rules for making the critters though, don't you. In any case, we are able to differentiate between player knowledge and character knowledge.

You are. He called me the minute he got the e-mail asking me to read through all my Dragons to find stuff to use. Which is what I've been trying to do for ages.

Granted...Greymarch really just wanted people to know...and for a group of people who don't CARE...100-some posts and counting?!?

Point taken, FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN. End of discussion there. Well, I don't "get" how you don't get that. DM finds something he likes, then throws it at the PCs. I can't speak to that, but I do refer you to my earlier post on consistency. I do think Greymarch has made this...

I'm sorry..."greymunch?" Jesus. Yeah, the irony of a person complaining about a lack of healthy discourse calling another names... Anyway. I'm glad you can discern my motivations from my, let's count it, ONE post and IN that one post I say that I've been trying for years to use third party...