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I didn't say social mechanics are a dead end; I said social combat is.

Not necessarily. Thats why I pointed to the issue of mechanizing what humans are good at doing. You don't need fantastical traits to do something like planning a heist, even in a fantastical context. This is why I've said in other discussions that things like Social Combat are complete dead...

I think a question thats more to the point is does there need to be specific mechanics for it. This is one of those things where one might be trying to mechanize what humans are already good at doing on their own: leadership, teamwork, learning, and so on. Given enough tools to interact with...

I think if your heist scenario only involves stealth checks thats kinda lame. Even if its just checks thats kinda lame too. If we're going to the effort to do Oceans 11, theres a lot that has to go down for that level of heist, and smaller scale efforts aren't just being sneaky either. The...

Yep we're on the same wavelength there. Roll for what the failures will be, and then prepare to try and tackle them in-situ. Actually a really clever procedure. Blends all the really good parts of both sides of the heist.

I think his idea is that the rolls you make during planning fix the circumstances of the heist. One way I could sort of see it is like you're doing a Skill Challenge, but there's variable outcomes. It'd still be open to things going sideways unexpectedly, but it'd also be more structured.

Pretty much every DCC adventure can be ported into any similarly genre'd game. And theres a bajillion of them, which is great.

Sure you can, because time is a thing. Most of the time, you're not going to be planning a big heist while standing outside the thing you're going to heist. You're going to be somewhere else, in secret, and moving in the shadows to scout and preplace things depending on the plan. The time...

No, I meant what I said. If your session of planning isn't literally that, your group is doing something wrong. Not only should players be planning in character and making moves in the gameworld to set it up, but the GM should be treating the session as an opportunity. A planning session is the...

I've found if you don't appreciate or care for sessions where you don't do anything but improv and rudimentary world interactions you're not going to like planning.

If one does not want to read through how I think, I'd skip to the .pdfs and let me know what you think. v2 is shorter and goes a bit wilder, but v1 covers the original take. I'd read through both, as they both communicate how the system overall works and what it does at the table in terms of...

When we aren't playtesting we're probably doing either DCC, Dragonbane, or COC.

You'll find that is not all you said nor what what was being taken issue with.

Not every TTRPG was made specifically for a small audience. Many were, and PF2E is one of them. After all, while its not unheard of for DND in particular to have a lot of communities yearning for older editions (OSR), that Pathfinder has a community like that is an oddball in RPGs. Other than...

Something else to keep in mind is that PF2E in particular was pretty much designed specifically for its fans. If you're not the type of person for whom it just clicks, there's probably more than a few things to take issue with in terms in how it does things, and some of those are going to make...

Its all a spectrum really. I can get into all 3 pretty easily, but at the end of the day, a lot of people seem to forget we are playing games. Like, when my group plays DCC, we're always going in on the same sort of style you're describing. Its lovely for that. But if we go for COC or heck...

I didn't accuse you of anything. You kept insisting on using your tables take on the game as indicative of what 5e is, and as you're talking about resource management not mattering, that leads to the conclusion that you're not really playing the game as designed. There's two names for that, and...

It isn't, and nobody you've spoken to has implied that.

Yeah its been a recent revelation for me that game books could benefit from frontloading the work on developing shorthand when things are complex. I'm designing magic right now and I've set the constraint that as I fully solidify it, it has to be able to fit, in its entirety, on a bit of empty...