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Wow, that's really a lot of words to eventually miss the point.

You keep using that phrasing, and I don't think you use it because you think it explains anything; I think you persist in using it because you like the way it puts people on tilt.

Why not both? Something in the swamp that someone who wants to corrupt (whatever that means) the world can use to do so? Obviously they have some forces and resources at their disposal already ... And while I don't disagree with @DEFCON 1 much, I gotta say I was thinking more eco themes than...

Is there some resource in the swamp? Possibly some resource that someone would have to destroy the swamp to get? The ordinary natural resources of a swamp probably aren't enough, but something magical might be. Maybe there's some spring in there that bubbles forth the equivalent of healing (or...

I am sometimes guilty of violent agreement that probably looks like argument. Apologies if I've done that to you.

These days I'm reading something like twenty novels a month, mostly from local libraries. Sometimes I'll grab something that's dreck, and sometimes that will be a novel with literary pretensions. My little notes to/for myself about those books are often ... unkind. :LOL:

I have a noted tendency to completely fail to enjoy "literary" fiction, especially of the award-winning kind. A) Genre awards don't really count and B) there are some notable exceptions--typically those where they don't lose track of the fact they're telling a story.

It was the language, mostly, and the thinking isn't wildly off from at least some of the thinking in Proverbs. It's plausible that anyone aiming for slightly archaic and/or heightened English ends up sounding Biblical (at least to me). My error, thanks (genuinely) for the correction.

Proverbs, I'm guessing. What chapter/s? (also clearly not King James, so what version?)

Unrelated to the above: Your biases and your inability (unwillingness?) to consider other people's viewpoints--they're showing badly. Not a great look.

Makes sense. I mean, I don't disagree hard with what you're saying, but that thread is a fustercluck.

I was reading that and thinking that there were reasons I was staying out of that thread. :LOL:

And/or ground meat that didn't get made into hamburgers.

Not even this site: You are of course wrong, and you have been wrong every time you've said that; I could argue with you, but why?

1. Also 2.

Ya know, I can't tell whether you're really a worst-case scenario, or trolling as a worst-case scenario; either way, you're not worth my time and energy.

I adored the novel, but I'll admit I took the voice as it was, I didn't come into it with any set expectations for a "noir" narrative voice; I didn't find it distancing at all. Obviously, there's room for differences of opinions, here.

Well, you're someone it's barely worth getting into a discussion with, let alone an argument. The slightest bit of disagreement and boom.

Great example, there. Good job illustrating that willful failure to understand how and why other people play.

When I read The Elusive Shift, my primary takeaway was that the arguments and the errors haven't really changed all that much since the beginning. Really put me off arguing about ... just about all of it.