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I missed this, but I think most of us are onboard with something like PF2.25E as a reference, tbh. Actually, I think it's kind of interesting to see the differences in the communities. PF2 people seems pretty damn jazzed about the idea of basically putting in a bunch of changes (or "errata", as...

Then why do it in a roundabout way that only really creates confusion? It just creates the same environment as an edition change without the clarity. I don't see an issue with an edition change! It feels a lot more manageable for people and more honest, and just better in general for design...

You should maintain the seasonal theming and go with Winter Wolf.

Nah, Pathfinder already has it all over snow leopards. They even have a pirate version with an eyepatch! That. Is. Not. A. REVISION. That is an alternative. Revisions replace things. That's how that works. I don't know how to explain this more simply: alternative rules are not "revisions"...

No, it doesn't revise, it adds. You can add things from Tasha's. That is not meant to be a revision. I can use the Optional Class Features if I like because they are not revisions but optional class features. The new PHB is not the same. It is not the "Optional Player's Handbook", it's the new...

That's not the same has having two competing Rogues, though. Adding new classes is not the same as having two versions of one thing at the same time. No, my problem is that I think it divides the community in worse ways than an edition change, as well as making development for a game much more...

That's great that you don't think so! I disagree. It's different to have two different versions of the PHB out there with two sets of classes with identical names but difference balances. It will absolutely cause confusion. You're going to get people arguing about which class in which PHB is...

Oh, sure, mixing the rules would absolutely get wonky. But the adventures are not really the rules, and they generally don't have ultra-specific interactions with the rules like that. At least, not to my knowledge.

This entire argument works the other way, where if a group wants to do that, they can just ignore the edition change and add it in. The difference is that in an edition change, the group doesn't need to talk about what they want to resolve which kinds of classes they are using: they are just...

I think divisions around editions come out of what is being changed and how much it is being changed. If 1D&D was an "edition change", I don't think it would garner as much blowback as others because it's very much built on 5E. And I don't think people will automatically assume 6E will be not...

Just want to give congrats to @The-Magic-Sword for getting a shoutout from one of the big PF2 YouTubers, NoNat1s!

Yeah, and at the end I think they'll settle on the first three rather than needing to include all four that you mention. Trying to keep up class support, especially with subclasses being fitted across two different chassis, seems very optimistic even in the short-term, let alone the long-term. I...

I mean, alternatively can you continue to say that 2014 is going to be supported while design completely moves away from it? No, you won't be able to. It's a lie to say that it will continue indefinitely and I would expect it to actually be phased out eventually. Alternatively, you can say that...

I do understand and respect the idea of "I want lower-level minions to still be a threat", but I think my take on it is if I want goblins and kobolds fighting my higher-level adventures, they'll simply be higher-level kobolds and goblins. You're not fighting regular goblins, you're fighting the...

But there would already be minimal conversion anyways because we've seen what 1D&D is doing and even if you called it a half edition it wouldn't change how adventures were built. It doesn't change mechanics in that way because adventures are generally not written to rely on specific class-based...

Sure, but do we actually see incompatibility with old adventures with 1D&D? Do we see likely incompatibility with new adventures with old 5E? The way I see things, I don't see WotC's class designs changing how the game functions at a base level as much as balancing things out across the classes...

It not a revision. When you revise something, you replace what came before it with the old. This is not a revision, it's an addition. And what you say about "any revision is optional" goes for anything: any upgrade, new book, etc... that's optional. Edition switches are optional. Ultimately you...

See, this is how I see it, particularly the "Roll a check that isn't there". The thing is, for the life of me I honestly couldn't think of a roll or check they could have that wouldn't be there. I don't read many of the adventures, but from what I've seen they generally aren't ultra-specific...

What you are referencing can be confusing but the examples you are referencing are so small that it doesn't become a larger problem. Having different versions of Deep Gnomes matters less than having two different versions of the Warlock built around two different ideas, or having a Druid that...