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  1. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    I dunno, feels like it'd be way more distasteful to not recognize that stuff and simply whitewash his legacy for the purposes of avoiding conflict. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure how you can betray a man by simply recognizing his flaws.
  2. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    So just because this is a "celebration", we can't mention the general attitude of sexism in Lake Geneva? Just... not allowed? Seems very limiting. I mean, it seems like only one side is telling people to "go to hell". If you want people to recognize Gygax as being complex, wouldn't you want...
  3. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    Just because you are celebrating something doesn't mean you gotta whitewash it, especially if your "celebration" is a look at the past.
  4. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    I don't really care about the spelling (I followed your spelling last time), but I don't get that because it's milquetoast, we should make it even weaker. If anything, we should make fewer compromises and be stronger in our critique, which is the exact opposite of what you've been arguing so...
  5. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    We're at a point where obviously everyone understands that certain views and ideas are wrong, but we can't say that in public because it's hotly-debated and I dunno, maybe the other guys had even worse views?!
  6. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    This is such a bad line of criticism from your side: if it's a milquetoast academic critique, then why are you so strenuously opposed to it? I would understand that from my side of things, where I would want them to be more clear and firm on what what's problematic and why it's bad. But from...
  7. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    My God, we've gotten to the point that we're posting Shaun videos for context. Wild times, people, wild times.
  8. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    Look, we need more nuance. And until we get it, we should completely avoid giving any sort of context.
  9. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    It's not. In fact, it's incredibly instructive as to how you presenting two contradictory arguments. Again, you say "hotly-debated" without weighing in. Who cares who is debating it? That's the point of bringing up the Lost Cause: plenty of people are still arguing for it, hotly, yet that...
  10. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    No, the tweet analogy basically exposed the contradiction here: when you see an empty retweet, you simply look for context. Fair, I suppose. But in this case, you are arguing against Wizards putting in context to create clarity. Those two views are contradictory.
  11. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    Look, if you are arguing that people need to go out and find context for things, you can't be complaining that Wizards chose to instead simply put the context right there for people to see. That just makes it seem like you're angry that they are providing context, and perhaps that you're angry...
  12. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    This is just an argument for clarity and presenting the context. Again, that's what a foreword is for.
  13. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    You're generally right, but I'm sure there's a situation where you could get someone who has a book and they legitimately say something stupid (like if the writer of this foreword said that, actually, Gygax was totally right or something). But yeah, that basically starts these sorts of arguments...
  14. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    A lot of that is context, reliant on people knowing that you don't agree with such views in the first place and the nuance of why you would want to repost such a thing, which might require knowledge of what is going on at any given time. But you're an individual, not a massive corporation with...
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  16. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    This absolutely telling you how something should be viewed, in particular the problematic views of Gygax and others. It's framing it both historically and so that you know that publishing it isn't meant to endorse it. If you already know that's bad, then this part of the foreword is not for you...
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    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    I want to hit on this. Historians frame things in forewords and such often times because it's necessary to do so. Why is it necessary? Because there are only so many things you can fit into a book and sometimes accompanying information that colors how events or people should be viewed are...
  18. Justice and Rule

    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    Sure, but that's the problem with selling it as a gaming product. Preserving old versions of it for reference is certainly proper, in the same way we have different editions and edits of different books. That's historical preservation. But the version they currently offer should be edited in...
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    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    As a teacher of history, that argument is absolutely dumb. Things are not always evident to people, especially people who know nothing on a topic. There are plenty of young people who are getting stuff that says it isn't bad, as someone who actually has to deal with middle schoolers on a regular...
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    Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

    I understand the point, but it's not quite the same. A gaming supplement, even if it is an old one, isn't necessarily above editing things in and out for different reasons, such as cultural sensitivity. Now if we edited a historical text account to not mention those things were there when it...
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