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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    What you are missing is that this is really about updating our expectations. When I, as a moderator, have to ban someone, I do not kid myself that they will thereby reform their harmful ways. I expect they'll basically think I'm a big old jerk. In some cases, I've seen how they talk about me...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    This is something we want to be true, but generally isn't. Positive reinforcement is a far more powerful tool than negative consequences. The most powerful and clear example is, alas political. So I'll use the next best thing: We have learned that whacking a dog with a rolled up newspaper is...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    I am not interested in where they "belong", or what they "deserve". I am not interested in vengeance, punishment, or being the arm of karma. In the past, ostracism worked because they could not easily find like-minded people. The internet has changed that. Today we cannot effectively...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    Please don't get the idea that I don't understand the sentiment. However, the fact is that in the internet age they don't "go away". I mean, they may get out of your line of sight, but they are still there, still exist, and they gather together and stew in resentment, until there's enough of...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    Driving people out generally requires some form of harassment, doggedly posting at them until they quit. I'd prefer, on the business side, that their business venture just not get enough customers to succeed. No need to harass - just a few people to make it clear what the problem is, and then...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    I don't want to push people out. I want people to be better. I want them to want to be better. I want folks trying to do business with the community to clearly find they have a path to possible success if they are better people, and sure failure if they are jerks, and they can decide for...
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    Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter [UPDATED]

    The thing Mr. Goodman seems to not get (or hopes we don't get) is that, in this product, we don't enter into a dialogue, conversation, or discussion with Mr. Bledsaw. Goodman Games' commercial dealings do not constitute a collaboration with anyone over the issues from 2020. There is no attempt...
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    D&D General The First Demise of TSR: Gygax's Folly

    Mod Note: I am sorry that you had to go through that. But, whatever your intent, this is reading to some like you are saying that, since it was everyday, it was no big deal. Drunken shouting at kids is a big deal, no matter how common. And to the kid on the receiving end of it, the context is...
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    Are there any submarine based RPGs?

    I suddenly want a seaQuest DSV RPG! Isn't that a tad dismissive? I would expect a submarine (or at least a modern nautical) game to have specialized nautical vehicle rules, nautical ship combat, rules about depth (& thermoclines, and sonar detection for modern settings) how to run combats...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Nobody said anything about years, other than you. So... nothing? How many times do I have to say that people get to like what they like before that point sinks in? I fundamentally do not care what kinds of games you like. I play all sorts of games, myself, both traditional and narrative...
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    D&D General D&D Editions: Anybody Else Feel Like They Don't Fit In?

    Eh. Unless we are careful, "partisan," is just code for, "people who persist in disagreeing with me". We get game-partisans of all stripes here - the internet is filled with them. You realize the hyperbole... makes you look partisan?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yep. Kids show this behavior pretty frequently.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, it is not. No argument there. But being incorrect about base principle complicates discussion of mechanics. As in, if you claim/assume that something is a difference of base principle, but isn't, the conversation becomes difficult, because inaccurate premises lead to inconsistencies in...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The point is that in terms of game structure, they aren't particularly different. The structure isn't alien. So, from there, it becomes very much a matter of personal preference, just as you note it. The other guy isn't doing something intrinsically weird. You like chocolate, and they like...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    First off, please realize that I'm speaking of broad tendencies and trends in human cognition, not about any specific choice by any specific person. I'd say "actively rejecting" is probably seen in several different behaviors. Including, say, repeatedly spending time on the internet telling...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Remembering that I noted - you get to like what you like. But, it isn't like my friend hadn't tried cheese dishes before either. It took his not knowing it was a cheese dish for him to give it a fair shake and like it. And even then, when he learned the thing he didn't like was involved, he...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The point is that players don't typically actively want any particular negative outcome. But, they exist as part of games, in general. Some are more traditional, and we accept them more easily, but in base principle, there's not a whole lot of difference between them. Sure. I play some of...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yep. Exactly. That's how pre-judgement works. Well, that was the intent. You get to like what you like, of course. The point is that what the other person likes is probably not all that alien.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Insert old saw about making players arm wrestle to prove which character is stronger.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    A friend of mine does not like cheese. We treat it like a food restriction for him when he comes over for dinner, so we make sure there are non-cheese options for him. One time, though, he went through three servings of a rice dish, chowing down eagerly, until he realized there was cheese in...
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