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    Forked Thread: Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    Glad to see you give up the ghost of the Martial Powers Must Be Mundane bandwagon, for one. Because I'm pretty sure an always-works ability that has no constraints for relative skill qualifies as unusual; or does your logic only work when you are moving the goalposts? It isn't a 3[W] and a...
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    Forked Thread: Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    Why? If we're not going to explain where the Dragon's fire comes from, why do we need to explain where the Healing Surge powers come from? The fluff is there to explain what happens, not how it occurs. First- how mundane is using an ability that is guaranteed to work, every time? They're...
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    Cleric and Paladin - What's the Difference?

    I think that depends on how you construct your World as a GM and how the players want the Class to act- if they play Pallies as Jocks and Clerics as Nerds, then the populous will have a pretty good distinction. If it is rare to even see a Classed character OR if the classes basically act close...
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    Forked Thread: Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    You're actually both right, except one of you is using it as an adjective, and one of you is using it as a noun. Because the word in question is not concrete, it is abstract.
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    4E Gods - Where's the crunch?

    I think that the only way to differentiate clerics in a by-God manner is to start sub-heading Cleric powers in the same manner of Warlock Pacts and giving mechanical bonuses if your god has the keyword under their portfolio. There already is mechanical differentiation between different Cleric...
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    Forked Thread: Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    I don't think that there is an immersive simulation that can be written if you specifically desire to break the immersive simulation. Order Of The Stick foolishness follows at any attempt to question the internal logic of the game-physics. This is a Results-Based rather than System-Based...
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    Forked Thread: Its the terminology that kills me...

    I've found that the terms, both the PC and NPC versions, are common on the internet and uncommon at the table; seeing as for most discussions, abstractions are all we have to go by. I don't see how other people's games on the internet can subsume your game at the table. It might make you more...
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    Is a popular non-D&D traditional fantasy RPG possible?

    Radioshack is a "thriving" business, entirely based on profit margins- It also has no room to grow and is a sinkhole of investment. If all a Fantasy RPG wants to do is "thrive", all it has to do is keep its LLC from bankruptcy and provide a decent retirement and many good memories when the...
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    Players really want the Necromancer? (Forked: Non-published concepts you want)

    Hmm. Maybe a class ability that reduces the speed and/or cost of the ritual? Or should the ritual be introduced in the PHB II for the complete-ists and then throw the Necromancer Class in a later pack? Yet I can see it, because I don't think that Swordmages are "unique" to FR either. But...
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    Players really want the Necromancer? (Forked: Non-published concepts you want)

    I think it was you who said in another thread that Psionics were integral to Eberron but was not base-level assumed enough to be put in the Eberron Sourcebook. Is this also true of Necromancer? And if so, are the only classes in the Eberron PHB going to be Artificers and...
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    Players really want the Necromancer? (Forked: Non-published concepts you want)

    Its also an Eberron thing, part of the "nothing-is-all-evil" design principle, also that one of the kingdoms was the Undead Army country. Which is why I expect a Necromancer Class in the Eberron PHB in 2009.
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    Should NPCs Have to Follow the Same Rules as PCs?

    Isn't this solely a quality of having an implied setting so thick and broad that PCs are defined by what they haven't done instead of what they have? FR is a corner case, not an example. The "special" qualities of a PC should never be from using Power X, but in accomplishing Quest Y. Halberd...
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    So therefore your problem is that there are Tigers (Marital and "one-per-day") that are not Bears (Martial and Mundane). Even though they are both Mammals (Martial) you do not need to consider it a Bear (Mundane with suited explanation)
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    However "I think we can agree that all mundane powers are martial, even though not all martial powers are mundane." You're disagreeing with yourself here.
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    yet So using your own logic, the answer is that daily abilities are not mundane.
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    *So what is the problem with "Eye of the Tiger" being a 1/day resource when it isn't a question of physical properties? In case you missed it in your egregious snipe there. Considering you said that "I think we can agree that all mundane powers are martial, even though not all martial powers...
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    Does performing Trip attempts every round ruin Suspension of Disbelief?

    I also would wish to include top-bottom dynamics and clinch combat in which you both occupy "one square", along with the multitude of suggestions Greg K brought up. I also think we've struck upon a fork of "Grapple in Combat".
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    So what is the problem with "Eye of the Tiger" being a 1/day resource when it isn't a question of physical properties? If the 1/day Martial powers are asymptomatic of how your mundane body acts, there is no need for you to staple on a crufty DC 50 Endurance check to regain it; it becomes a...
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    360lbs is an 18STR feat. Halil has 18STR even at 133lbs. He is not 85lbs (Halfing) nor is he trying to lift 400 or 540lbs (20 or 26 STR). The point of the Tangent being that "Martial" isn't as mundane as you think it is.
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    Once per day non-magical effects destroy suspension of disbelief

    Alright, Strength is a linear progression, as from page 222 of PHB: 10 STR lifts 200 lbs while moving, while 20 STR lifts 400 lbs while moving, etc etc. The Weight and Height of a Dwarf, from page 36, is around 4'3" to 4'9" an 160-220. Even assuming a Sizable Dwarf, a 4'9" 220 lb being, even...
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