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  1. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    It's actually kind of horrifying that you see articles like this discussing individuals who have experienced awful things, and your mind immediately leaps to, "They're trying to control us!" That says an incredible amount about the sort of person you are and how you view the world around you. No...
  2. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    It's almost a rule of the internet - as a discussion continues the probability that a discussion participant's political leanings will be revealed to be exactly what you suspected approaches 1.
  3. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    And my argument, and the argument of others here, is that the very minor risk of the very minor harm of being removed from an event is worth it. Again, there's no need to rehash this. Again, you're more likely to avoid future conflict by removing the accused than the accuser. Also, in the...
  4. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    I don't really care what you'd argue. If you believe, fundamentally, that concerns of immediate justice override literally every other priority, there will be no common ground on this. It isn't about "believing any claim." I shouldn't have to repeat this. Being removed from the event is not...
  5. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Okay, stop. This isn't about definitions. This is about context. When someone talks about being hurt when they were cheated on, you don't counter with, "Well you know what else hurts? Papercuts!" Yes, both uses fit the literal definition of "hurt", but one of them is so far removed from the...
  6. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    It isn't my job, as a hypothetical venue operator, to address concerns of justice. It's my job to keep my event running smoothly and to foster a sense of welcoming and acceptance. You can bring your concerns over personal justice to someone who has the time and patience to deal with them. I...
  7. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Yes, absolutely, when used in that way. I don't believe that justice is always an immediate or absolute goal. Other goals can precede it in priority. This is one of those cases. You can explore those injustices on your own time. Meanwhile, the venue operator is going to put an end to the...
  8. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    "But they could have experienced it differently!" isn't a blanket excuse for behavior, nor does it erase the actual problem. Again, you're concerned about "justice" for both sides, and that isn't the concern a venue operator (or the community at large) has.
  9. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Adorable. Yes. You use the same loaded terminology to apply to both. That's the point. You're doing it deliberately, and it's intellectually dishonest. No, but using the term "victim" for both means that you've shifted the conversation towards a concern over justice for both parties, when...
  10. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Apparently being told to deal with a false accusation is no different than being told to deal with sexual assault. Didn't have to hunt very far for that one.
  11. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Out of curiosity, Taneras, what was the correct answer, there? Should I have told you that I have no idea what their experience is like, giving you the opportunity to explain how awful I am for presuming to know? Or was it better to say what I did, giving you the opportunity to explain how awful...
  12. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    That I don't understand what it's like to be accused of something I didn't do? Please. Everyone knows what that's like. They'll tell me, I'll nod and explain that it's a shame, but that's just the way it's going to have to be. On the contrary, I'm acknowledging those experiences, but...
  13. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    That's deliberate. I don't believe that missing out on a day of gaming rises to anything near the level of victimhood experienced by those who are forced to deal with harassment. I'm not ignoring the first "victim". I'm simply explaining that I'm comfortable with the very minor risk of the...
  14. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    In this case, the "punishment" is having to go home. How horrid. So, yes. On very rare occasion someone might have to leave an event before they were planning on leaving because of an unjust accusation. Life goes on. As a white male who attends the occasional convention, that's an incredibly...
  15. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Strong surveys operate on random sampling. Random sampling surveys are much more resistant to self-selection bias than polls that are simply made available to the entire population in question.
  16. Dannager

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    I have to say, I'm incredibly encouraged by the enthusiasm with which this issue is being tackled, here. The most active in our community seem to also be the most supportive of improving gaming culture, and that means progress will be made. There is a handful of people here making a very...
  17. Dannager

    Pathfinder Online Layoffs; Ryan Dancey Leaves Company

    You're talking about software. It is practically a miracle to receive a shipped software product that is "everything that it promised to be." It doesn't matter whether you're talking about a project on Kickstarter, a game from EA, or a new iOS app from Apple. You are, perhaps, more likely to get...
  18. Dannager

    Pathfinder Online Layoffs; Ryan Dancey Leaves Company

    This is exactly the reason I do back software projects on Kickstarter. Sure, maybe some fraction of those funded actually succeed. But my personal batting average is much better (I have backed six software projects on Kickstarter, and I am now 5 for 6; the Pathfinder MMO is the first to have...
  19. Dannager

    Pathfinder Online Layoffs; Ryan Dancey Leaves Company

    If unintended, adverse outcomes for your employer at the time can be considered "successes", sure. So on that note, I mean, sure, it's possible that PFO's present turmoil will lead to a positive outcome for the wider RPG community down the road, but it's certainly not the outcome the...
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