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Uh uh. You have no ability to shove false words into our mouths. We are saying it's quantum because the player's die roll causes the cook to be there or not be there and we only find out after the box(die roll) is opened. Not because we're saying it's objectively wrong. We do say that it's...

I mean, if it's not in the middle of the night, the something bad happening is still unrelated to the roll, because it doesn't matter if it's a success or failure. Someone is probably going to see them and react. :ROFLMAO:

I didn't see the original example, but I assumed the party wasn't being stupid and trying to pick a lock in broad daylight or when people would be likely to be walking around after dark. My bad for not realizing the PCs were morons. :P

That doesn't fly, either. From the very first instance, I was talking about from the player's perspective. On top of that, at no point did I ever say or imply that I don't care if it's quantum. It's not. Not from the perspective I've been using since moment one. The DM's perspective isn't...

I missed the original post by @clearstream, so I don't have any context for why he wants to analyze something like this. In all my time playing I've never seen or heard of something like that situation. It's like a Goldberg Mousetrap. A DM randomly determining the duration? Sure. Waiting...

The first season was for sure. Then suddenly a flawed crew doing its best became a perfect crew doing little wrong. I really liked it best when they were all flawed and doing their job in spite of those flaws.

And Pizza the Hut.

What?! You didn't enjoy getting most of the way through making a Traveler character only to have it die before it was even finished being made? @pemerton is that little gem in the more current versions?

I haven't. I've said it doesn't work for me, because I prep stuff and it would end up with an absurdity if I did it.

This is true. It really depends on the system. In default D&D, the skill is Open Locks, not Open Locks and Avoid Bad Stuff. The roll is only to see if you open the lock or not, so everything else is unconnected. Something always happens, even it's just a failure to accomplish your goal...

I didn't make up the example, and I get that it's a bad one since the cook would almost surely not be in the kitchen, but it's the one that was brought up and is being discussed.

For literally at least the dozenth time, nobody is saying that other variations are wrong. :rolleyes: Sure. LOTS of cook are up at midnight to 2am sitting around the kitchen after cooking dinner and before getting up at 4am to get ready to make breakfast. They're doing that constantly.

You aren't reading to understand, just to respond. Try reading to understand. If your party is going through the forest, wandering monster rolls happen at specific intervals. Let's just say 2pm since I don't want to look it up. If the roll indicates an encounter, it will be where at the...

That is true. In my experience, though, players rarely leave the road to go into the more dangerous wilderness without some sort of incentive. In all likelihood, they'd have gone down one path or the other unless told that the ogre frequents both roads.

Especially since if they are forewarned about the two paths like that, they might opt to go off trail to avoid both locations. Foreknowledge alters the situation and doesn't keep it to the two paths.

It's not gamist. It's simulationist. If there's a bear over there in the woods, that's where it is at regardless of what anyone succeeds or fails at. It also didn't just appear there in an improvised moment. Advance prep is part of simulating a more realistic environment where things are set...

Whereas I don't mind if I prep some stuff and the group uses a teleport scroll that I forgot they had to bypass a chunk of it. As long as we are all having fun, that's the important part to me.

It's railroading. The players choices are invalidated and no matter where they go or what they choose, they will encounter that ogre. Part of being a traditional DM is having prep that doesn't get used.