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  1. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's not just about people appealing to an authority on a different topic, but people rarely point to Carl Sagan to prove something in D&D is true, so it doesn't come up very often. It's most commonly people pointing at an authority and declaring their position to be true because an authority...
  2. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It makes relying on the expert solely on his word and no other evidence a fallacy. The expert's word does not mean that the expert is correct. I'll provide a non-political counter example. Every single year for the last 20+ years, there have been many articles about scientists(experts)...
  3. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It sounds like he means NPCs. You're assuming a cook is there. He's saying a cook isn't there, so won't be added in due to a failed roll. This is true, but in a traditional sandbox the failed lockpicking roll isn't going to determine that. The DM will know if there's a cook in the house, and...
  4. Maxperson

    TSR Why would anyone want to play 1e?

    Almost every 1e group I played with dropped/changed all of those. There's a lot more to 1e than just those things. And a lot to 3e that 1e didn't have.
  5. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I just looked at that quote again and what he said afterwards was even stronger. He said, "This is not to say that where it does not interfere with the flow of the game that the highest degree of realism hasn‘t been attempted, but neither is a serious approach to play discouraged." If it...
  6. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And yet qualified electricians make mistakes, take cheap routes, etc. leaving folks with unsafe houses all the time. Perhaps people would be better served not Appealing to Authority on that matter. There's a reason why people who go to doctors get second and sometimes third opinions.
  7. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No, you still have more, because those experts also had more. They didn't put a single line or two into the textbook talking about radioactive decay and expect you to believe them. They provide references to experiments, what those revealed and lead to, and more. They back up their claims...
  8. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You have been told time and time again in many threads that.... 1) A like of realism does not equate to wanting to try and mirror reality exactly. It's a spectrum and trying for reality is not necessary. 2) Everything has its own separate realism dial, and we can like different numbers for...
  9. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I think he's talking about the differences in the two playstyles. In our playstyle, the climb is its own discreet event and is not connected to getting to the top in time. You can fail and possibly still make it in time with a second climb or different method, or you could succeed in the...
  10. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's not a big deal if you are playing in a narrative game where you routinely do that sort of thing. However, if you are playing a more traditional game where the fiction is established in the moment and if it's not established it didn't happen, retconning even a small thing is a big deal. My...
  11. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Gary said something along those lines in the 1e DMG, followed immediately by, if it won't make the game worse or would make it better, then of course you should engage in realism. Basically, he's saying that making people have their characters go to the bathroom X times a day, every day would...
  12. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Usually it's the amount of time you spend learning and practicing your field, which makes a lot of us here experts in D&D and RPGs in general. ;)
  13. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You still have to provide that evidence along with your expert for it not to be a fallacy. You have to give more than, "You're wrong because this expert over here says you are."
  14. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That would be foolish. Presumably you also learned about radiation and the impact it has on the human body at some point in your schooling. You may not be an expert in the field, but you have more than just some guy told you so with nothing else to back it up. Experts in law disagree about...
  15. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Because it often doesn't happen. Assuming something that will often be wrong is a very faulty assumption to make. So your solution was to agree with me that you can retcon it and it's not like what we do, and then announce that you solved a problem. What was the point of that? No. No you...
  16. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It keeps happening, because it's super easy to get experts to say just about anything you want. At that point you just hope your expert is more convincing than the other expert. An Appeal to Authority is always fallacious if that's all you have to support your claim.
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  18. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So now you're claiming that Appeal to Authority isn't a fallacy? Why, because you know better than everyone else? An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy, because it doesn't show the rightness or wrongness of the argument, so appealing to it to show rightness or wrongness is fallacious. This...
  19. Maxperson

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yeah. The only place I disagree with you on this is from your former post where you say that you think most people treat D&D combat as simultaneous. I think they just mostly just ignore it, because treating is as virtually simultaneous would quickly reduce combat to slapstick comedy in the...
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