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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Sure. But it doesn't make a large difference to whether or not it is "quantum". That doesn't depend upon why the roll is made.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Then you've not listened very hard. I'm referring to various serious 5e players. You'll see it, for instance, in this thread, post 16: D&D General - Dealing with bad luck (From behind the DM screen). But the terminology goes back 5 to 10 years based on my observations. See post 580 in this...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not appealing to authority: I'm describing a fairly well-known RPG rulebook.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It's not true that the cook is "there and not there", any more than it's true that a monster who was authored as the result of a wandering monster roll is "there and not there".
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The modifier in (say) Burning Wheel or 4e D&D does represent the character's skill. That's why it's called a skill rating or a skill bonus.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    My point is that D&D is not a very "simulationist" game: it has lots of mechanics that don't take much input from the fiction, and that produce results that then need the fiction to be retrofitted in: its to hit rules, its damage rules, its action economy, its saving throws, its surprise rules...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I've never tried to run a RPG where the setting was designed literally independently of the goals of play. I've played classic D&D with dungeons that I've created, or dungeon modules. The PCs in these games tend to be ciphers to various degrees, but the dungeons are created for the point of...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The cook is in the house, or perhaps lives in the house and is running an errand, or perhaps works at the house and is running early, or on time, or late, . . . Yes, everyone reading this thread knows that. The point that @hawkeyefan and I are making is that the cook is not more or less "fixed"...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Well I can assure you that it has been discussed in many 5e threads. The last one I remember was the Gloves are Off thread from a couple of years ago.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Because the things it says are very similar to some FKR manifestos, and there is also some overlap with "blorb" principles. To me it seems fairly clear what sort of play the manifesto has in mind. I don't think it does an especially good job of describing it, particularly when it gets to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    There are multiple posters on these boards who advocate "goal and approach" as a thing for resolving 5e D&D action declarations. I have seen it come up a lot on the 5e D&D boards.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This makes Gygax's AD&D non-traditional, then, given that it expressly contemplates retrofitting fiction to explain surprise:
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No. The GM decides if the cook is there, or not, based on whether the rules tell us that the burglar's attempt to break in went well or badly.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yet I talk about Classic Traveller quite a bit, which (as I play it, and I think on the strength of the rules text) plays more like Apocalypse World than like a scene-framing-type game. But all RPGs require the GM to present scenes/situations to the players, like "You're standing at the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So if the GM doesn't narrate shadows, or ambient noise, or whatever, does that mean that no roll can be made for the Orcs to be stealthy? Does the GM also have to decide on the visibility of the stuff floating in the gelatinous cube before rolling to see if it surprises the PCs?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm getting a bit fed up with the implication that I'm lying about a game that I know pretty well. But I've quoted some of the text just upthread. Have you read Vincent's Admonition on p 72? Have you read p 30? If the successes equal or exceed the obstacle, the character has succeeded in his...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This is becoming rather surreal. I've quoted the rules - from Hub and Spokes, which can be downloaded for free from DTRPG <https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/98542/burning-wheel-gold-hub-and-spokes> - probably a dozen or more times in this thread, and probably in reply to both of you...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Didn't someone already post this upthread?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I was quoting from a rulebook. It has text that sets out its rules. But anyway, here's an example of announcing future badness: You see Plover, but he doesn't see you. He's talking to the mechanic aggressively, and you hear him say your name. The mechanic doesn't look like she's inclined to...
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