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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No one disputes that RPGing involves setting. (Except perhaps in some very marginal and/or avant garde instances.) @AbdulAlhazred is pointing out that the setting, for AW, is not established or prepared ahead of play. When you read Harper's blog, do you notice the bit about the player...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Of course he did. But he wasn't making a "hope roll". The player of a PC in D&D who rolls an attack hopes that the attack will defeat their opponent. But no one calls it a "hope roll". We call it an attack roll, because that's what the PC is doing. Likewise, in the episode of play that I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    At the table it was not fixed. In the fiction it had been fixed ever since the runes were written. They could, and they did. Similarly, in The Big Sleep someone killed the chauffeur, even though the author - Raymond Chandler - didn't know who that was. And just as how, in your spell example...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yes, the play of MHRP/Cortex+ Fantasy that I described would be characterised by @AbdulAlhazred as narrativist play. It is pretty light narrativism in thematic terms, but I suspect comparable in that respect to some of AbdulAlhazred's Dungeon World play. But I have no idea how you think that...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not sure how familiar you are with MHRP resolution. But the player is risking their PC's position in a way comparable to any other making of a roll in the game. Sorry, why does playing MHRP go against "normal experience"? I mean, I've done it, and Great Cthulhu didn't rise from the oceans as...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The PC's action doesn't cause anything in the real world, as a special case of the general principle that imaginary things don't have real effects. The player's declaration of their PC's action causes some things to happen in the real world, including prompting others to say and imagine various...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No. For the reasons I've stated, extensively, upthread. And in other threads that you've also participated in. The first thing to note is that a player can constrain or influence how another game participant is to exercise their authority. This is a standard feature of any player-driven RPGing...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Does anyone GM posting in this thread that, other than you? (I assume that you do it. If you don't, then what makes you think anyone else does?) Intent + task is core to Burning Wheel. It's not part of Apocalypse World. As for the example from Move Snowball, what is the reason that Marie is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't know what "but" or "prepared for the worst" you're referring to, sorry. But I doubt that anyone who has read the AW rulebook, and thus seen the example from Move Snowball of the MC, in response to the miss on Read a Sitch, making the hard move of the grenade attack, would be confused.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not asking @Campbell or @AbdulAlhazred about the play experiences. I'm pretty sure that AbdulAlhazred has never played MHRP or other Cortex+ RPGs. I believe that @Campbell has, but I don't know what approach he has taken to backstory authority. But you asserted that the player's hope should...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I didn't mention lotteries as an example of stake-setting. Though they are, in the sense that by choosing to enter a lottery I choose to put something at stake. My point is simply that rolling the dice to see if you get what you stake is not deciding that you get what you stake, any more than...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't know what you mean by "a dodge" - what do you think I'm dodging? The roll was a roll to read runes. The fact that it is resolved differently from how you would resolve a similar sort of action in the context of playing D&D doesn't change what the roll was. Not that far upthread, @Micah...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The rolls etc happen at the table. Not in the fiction. The rolls affect what we at the table agree to imagine together. They don't change what the runes say in the fiction. This is completely bizarre. Upthread, you're telling everyone that even though it is never talked about at the table, the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Had the player not asked about the farrier, because of their hope, it would not have come up and you would not have narrated the farrier.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What you're describing there is a change in the real world, namely, the content of the shared fiction. The change that occurs in the imagined, fictional world is that the PC learns what they didn't know, but hoped might be true: that the runes reveal a way out.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    How much Apocalypse World, or Dungeon World, or Burning Wheel have you played? You keep making these conjectures, but they don't fit at all with my experience, or the experiences that I hear reported from other posters with extensive experience of these RPGs. For instance, the instruction to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Suppose that the player, as their character, knows that there is a sniper nearby. And they try to read a sitch to get a handle on the sniper. And miss. The GM is quite at liberty to inflict harm as a hard move. Upthread I posted an excerpt from the Moves Snowball part of the rulebook that...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Why not? Is this view based on a close reading of the MHRP rulebook? Thankfully, no such thing happens! The character's hopes don't change the past. The past causes the character's hopes to be fulfilled. Instead of alluding to this via false descriptions of my RPGing, perhaps you and others...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Why do you say this? Here's an example of a miss in Read a Sitch (pp 199-200): “So that’s weird,” Marie’s player says, at some point. “What IS going on with Birdie?” “Roll to read a sitch,” I say. She misses the roll, so I get to make as hard a move as I like. A good one here is to turn the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I agree that the setting isn't "owned" by any single participant. While the game starts as "no myth", part of the point of the first session is to establish shared backstory. As you know, this is not a process of one-way transmission from GM to player. Here is some of what Harper says about...
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