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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't understand what this means: I don't know what features are or are not being discarded, nor what is separating what from what other thing. Nor what the abilities are that you're referring to.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I honestly don't understand. My point is simply that drawing lots, and winning is not the same as deciding. That's it. Do you disagree? Do you think that X drew the winning lot means that X decided to win?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I know what AW says. From p 109 (of the original rulebook): Apocalypse World divvies the conversation up in a strict and pretty traditional way. The players’ job is to say what their characters say and undertake to do, first and exclusively; to say what their characters think, feel and...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I like this example. It illustrates the very many parameters that designers have to work with. In the MHRP example, the GM makes the runes salient (as a Scene Distinction), but the power to posit what the runes say is vested in the player, if they make an appropriate action declaration; the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What is being skirted around? I've been clear about resolution processes, about low- vs high-stakes stuff, etc, throughout this thread. I know how you prefer to play. But are you saying that may game makes you uncomfortable? That's a bit weird. You, and other posters, keep telling me that stuff...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I take it that you mean by this I prefer not to play RPGs in which those sorts of connections affect the roll. Or are you stating a general proposition, that it should never be the case, in anyone's RPGing, that those sorts of connections affect the roll? If the latter, that seems at odds with...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    As I've posted, Marvel Heroic RP uses a framework of Scene Distinctions. These are invitations to the players to interact with them, build on them, etc. If I wanted to introduce a different scene distinction - say Trapped Runes that Reveal a Way Out I could have. Or, if the player's roll to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    MHRP is not GM-less. It is just a game - like many other RPGs conceived of since 1975 - that does not confine the determination of setting/backstory to GM decision-making. And yes, the farrier is low stakes. I've posted exactly that upthread, multiple times. It's a deliberate feature of some...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In AW, as I said, "Make the player's characters lives not boring" and "Be a fan of the player's characters". In Burning Wheel, everything about the role of the GM and some of what is said about the role of the players.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The "fundamental difference" is that there is a causal process involving the player and the fiction - the resolution of the player's declared action causes everyone to agree that the runes reveal a way out - that does not tightly correlate to any causal process within the fiction - it's not true...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    There was no "hope check". There was a roll to read the runes.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What got modified? When a player decides, say in the second session, that their PC's mother was a soldier in her youth, they are not modifying the past of the world. It's not as if there was some established fact about their PC's mother that is being changed. They are just adding to the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And in the play of MHRP/Cortex+ Fantasy, everyone knows that when the GM narrates a Strange Runes scene distinction, the nature of the runes isn't yet detailed and is up for grabs. The equivalence is only false if one assumes that MHRP/Cortex+ should be played like your preferred approach to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No. Is it much like Burning Wheel or Apocalypse World? This doesn't make Fiasco sound much like Burning Wheel or Apocalypse World. So I'm not sure what inference you are inviting me to draw. This example doesn't seem very concrete to me. What game are we playing? How are stakes being...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    What was the change? What did the runes say before the check was made?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Upthread, @Maxperson gave an example of a player saying their PC looked for a farrier in the village. And though Maxperson's notes didn't include a farrier, he added one in. That is the GM responding to the player's hope. But no one supposes that, in the fiction, the PC's hope made the farrier...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't really see how this matters. Upthread, multiple posters - including you, I think, but maybe I'm wrong one that - described the player as deciding what the runes say. My point is that he didn't. He rolled dice, and won the roll. Much as a person might enter a lottery, and win: that...
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