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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    There was a designer article that said they no longer had presitge classes, if I am remembering correctly. Golden Wyvern Adept is a type of training wizards learn in the D&D mythology now. Just as the feats tied to the other 4 traditions will be. They are not orders or schools etc, just...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Wow, no replies since I posted this afternoon. I am surprised. I will check back in later.
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Please read, important post: I apologize for not replying to any one directly. I skimmed the posts and am up to date, but my time is tight and I've been really busy the last few days. I've sent letters directly to WOTC designers so I can to make them aware of some of these issues (in case...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    No, because those things are released where fluff is important, in SETTING books. We just want our CORE rule books (PHB, DMG, MM) fluff nuetral as possible, thats all. We want those to be areas to build onto with out first having to clear a bunch of junk out of the way. Is that unreasonable for...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    We have already shown how the greyhawk spells are not the same thing as forcing wizard's magic to fit into these orders. The original specializations were more open to adapting to individual worlds and concepts than these current ones are. I want to see one of these examples that are comparable...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Start by using magic users and then you will make use of feats like this. Since you aren;t, now try renaming the feats your group is using and see how that goes instead. These new feats are not rare, obscure effects. They are ones every wizard is going to want to make use of. Keep in mind, 4e...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Okay, with Dragonlance, now you have Raistlin was part of the Iron Sigil Order? He spent time learning the Golden Wyvern techniques between joining the Order of the Black Robes and becoming a god? The white, red and black orders are totally stepped on by these new six wizard orders, it goes...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    If its not included in the SRD, then 3rd party companies cannot refer to those feats in their character write ups. How is that not crippling? It was hard enough for companies to deal with the spell issue when they couldn't use the wizard names and specific monsters. Now, take the key feats for...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    It will start at least at a two or three dozen. Minimum. Then it will be used over and over again in every book. D&D is having fluff strapped on every place they can do it and the feats are the hardest part to remove it from. Ironically, I am ok with it most other places. Even spells to a...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Even half of the people in support of the fluff feats have said they are silly. Lol, its crazy.
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    We can safely assume there is at least one for each order, that gives us a minimum of 6. Emerald Frost, Golden Wyvern, Iron Sigil, Hidden Flame, Stormwalker and Serpent Eye. The feat Golden Wyvern Adept is a paragon (level 11+) ability. All Golden Wyvern abilities deal with changing the areas of...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Post from MindWandererB on Andy Collins Site This is a direct quote from a poster named MindWandererB on Andy Collins website regarding the built in fluff, it illustrates the point and my concerns of losing these sorts of DMs. Please read, he has a very valid point and clearly expresses our...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Spells have the names of greyhawks uber wizards, characters that were tributes to Gary Gygax and the other creators of the game. I get that. If I use them, they seem like weird ancient wizards lost to time, if I don't them and I drop them from my game, they are hardly noticed being gone. Same...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    That might be, except that one DM is more important and outweighs all those other players that outnumber him. He creates new players everytime he lets someone new play. DMs spend 5-10 times as much on their gaming materials as a common player too. Players who do not DM do not do this. WOTC has...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    The bottom line is it forces DMs to adapt their fluff to the fluff in the core books. Until now, D&D has not done that to its DMs to this degree. Sure, a few spells and gods, but not key building blocks for players to make the characters from. It is a hassle for a DM who doesn't want to have his...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    By placing them in a sidebar and removing the feat tied to the order, you make both camps happy. The tools are there for new DMs and players and the DMs and players who do not want it can build around the feat as they wish. What if I want a Wvyern to be worshiped as a god, or what if the golden...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    I would like to add (yet another <rolls eyes at self>) comment: I am a professional in the industry. My wife and I have visited hundreds of gaming stores, travelled to tons of conventions, paid attention to all of the successes and failures in the industry for the last 20 years. We have a very...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    I realize that, but I was trying to make a point. Lets say White Wolf was going to make a FRCS style guide for WOW and add it onto the players handbook. Feats like GWA hurt the feel of Azeroth. Again, my comment taken out of context by someone in the pro-GWA camp trying to make a point. This...
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    What should WOTC do about Golden Wyvern Adept? (Keep Friendly)

    Yes, they did find that with their research. This is why the fluff feats are bad for us DMs who enjoy this. It is like being told to use pen when you want to draw in pencil etc. Tomato sauce when you want to use curry. Play guitar when you want to play drums. etc.
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