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Yes, actually. Those priorities, though, I have found, are better served through video games like Baldur's Gate, or campaign games like Roll Player Adventures, Tainted Grail, etc. When I made the board game comment above, it wasn't as a perjorative.* What RPGs can do that can't be replicated...

Of course it's tragic in the real world; no idea what you're trying to do by pointing out something so obvious, but sure, yeah, ok. In a game/movie/novel, it is comedic/lame precisely because it's the decision taken by a human being to have that conclusion happen when any of an infinite number...

Retreating from combat: still engaging with the game and the story. Avoiding any activity that has a 1 in 20 chance of instant death: Smart and cautious...but not engaging with the game and story.

In the scenario I describe above? Where the paladin rolls a 1 and as a result determined by his GM, he falls to his death? Yeah, I'd like to see that described as something other than comedy too.

This is strawman crap.

There's probably a discussion to be had about that, sure, but the scenario I described above? Makes sense in a kind of comedic, 3-Stooges kind of way, but not really any other.

No, we can let him die and ressurrect him later. Your words.

It's over for the paladin...and in very lame fashion.

Those are what I am talking about, unfortunately.

Sure, if it's a CoC-type game, where people going nuts/dying is part of the genre, fine. Players approach the genre with genre expectations. Thing is, even within that genre, the character death from insanity is meaningful in the genre; it's radically different from rolling a 1 while climbing...

They can choose to retreat. They may or may not be successful, but they can choose it. I can't choose to not roll a 1.

You are no longer arguing the same thing. The argument was about death through a random roll, not player choice. I said myself that even though combat is a series of rolls, players can always choose to retreat. P.S. The way you phrased your response was fairly illuminating, and explained...

Sure. Some play games with death by a random dice roll. Fun!

Hopefully. Hopefully the GM will also let me know if there's a 1 in 20 chance of dying doing these activities.

Exactly. It can be a fallacy if your electrician starts expounding upon your plumbing.

This is like something I do in Baldur's Gate 3, where I am always aware of video game logic and the investment is therefore lower; now way in a face-to-face game would we say "Eh, so you die, so what? We'll just raise you later!" except as a joke.

LOL! At the culmination of the particular campaign, the paladin is scaling the cliff to get to the portal where the pit fiend is coming through as his other party members hold off the other hellish forces from getting to hi...WHOOOOPS! Slipped and fell to his death! Sorry, Harold, them's the...

Everyone I know in 35 years of roleplaying together is looking for those things, yeah. There are other joys to be had too, but they are often better served in board games like Roll Player Adventures, Tainted Grail, etc. Jonathan Hickman apparently has (or had) a rule in his 13th Age game that...

Sure, we can rp characters staying at home. Good game!

No, this is wrong. It's not that character death isn't on the table; just that it shouldn't happen because of one failed check climbing a cliff. That's super lame. As for the rest...maybe? It's all quite separate from the sunk cost of investing in a character. Assuming I stayed in such a...