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One thing I find genuinely hilarious about this is that FFXIV has precisely the opposite problem. It doesn't have a "Ranger" class. (Or, rather, "job"; Final Fantasy treats "classes" as lower-tier things you usually graduate out of, and "jobs" are the true equivalent of a D&D class). This...

What I'm saying is, you constructed a system that no one here would use or defend. Meaning, the difference was manufactured by that insertion. Without that insertion on your part, the difference disappears, meaning you are only criticizing a system you invented that doesn't really exist and...

It seems to me that you have created your own problem by inserting this assumption when it is not, generally speaking, true? That is, I don't know of any system which does this. I'm quite confident that any system which did do this would be recognized quickly for poor design.

The victim in State [of Ohio] vs Smith didn't acquire diabetes due to any action on Smith's part, and yet the court determined that Smith's act of punching the victim was the proximate cause of the victim's death, and thus Smith could in fact be tried for homicide (and, IIRC, was in fact...

I guess I just don't live in one-second intervals.

Well, I mean, I was trying to leave open the possibility that there are things I hadn't considered. "There are more things in heaven and earth" and such. But...I mean, yes, I really do think that "I, Lilia Blanc, am incapable of picking this one specific lock" just...isn't enough? It's a very...

And yet in essentially everything we do, we do exactly this. A caused B, B caused C, C caused D, and yet we refer to what courts call a "proximate" cause all the time. "Why were you late for work, Pat?" "Because I clocked in after my shift started." That's the most immediate cause, literally the...

That did not answer the question. How is this a major fact about the world? But that isn't something happening. By definition, it's something NOT happening. Mere awareness of a fact is not a happening! No, I can't. I genuinely have no idea how this is related. I wasn't expecting you to...

@Enrahim I'm glad what I had to say has been helpful to you, though I didn't have a lot to respond to overall in the post. So I'm focusing in on specific bits. Not because I'm ignoring them, but because I felt these were the ones that would get more done, rather than "mhm" or "ehh..." or the...

Going per example... "Cook screaming" runs most afoul of "Make a move that follows" and, to a limited but very important extent, "Be a fan of the characters." The former is at issue because a single failed lockpicking is...pretty far away from an instantaneous "everything goes loud" moment, to...

How? We know one locked door is too difficult for one person to pick. That doesn't sound like "changed significantly" to me. Yes...but others are saying it simply isn't such a thing. Do you want my frank opinions, or my polite ones?

Three problems. It doesn't actually tell us anything. It is only the tiniest bit more specific than "do what is good, avoid what is bad". That standard is utterly uninformative, because "good" means "a thing worth doing" and "bad" means "a thing that is bad". Further, "enjoyable for everyone"...

You aren't helping your case with such quibbles. This indicates that even if the players act, it may still be a total absence of change to the status quo. I'm simply using the standard you set for me. You said: Point 1: You have already specified, previously in the thread, that the only...

I'm not the one who brought up the screaming cook. @Lanefan did. Ask them. I even specifically referred to such a thing as dubious GMing that I would never engage in, and which I would find highly suspect.

This isn't a retort? I don't see how anything you've said disagrees with what I said. That is, your response here is: "Well yes, but once the players choose to do something else, things happen." But that is an admission that this whole action was a waste of time! That we should simply have...

I mean, you've described what sounds, to me, like some...pretty formulaic play? I don't know about you, but having things boil down to such a formula--especially when it involves something like "guards literally follow me to prevent me from knocking down house doors"--doesn't really sound like...

For my home game, I use Dungeon World for an Arabian Nights-inspired experience. I've made some (very minor) tweaks to a few things over time, to comport with the longer-term style I want to run (I find it bafflingly stupid to force players to stop playing their character just because they've...

Notice I said "stiffed" rather than "stifled". That is, from my perspective, the GM screwed the player over, and thus they had to do something that guaranteed fundamental failure on their current goal (stealthy infiltration). I don't know if that affects your position or not, but it's worth...

But it very much does preserve the status quo. "Nothing happens" IS preserving the status quo. That's what it means! "Status quo" literally means "the existing state or condition"; its most common formal use is in negotiation, where a return to "status quo ante" means that, after some kind of...

Of course, the real situation in most cases is that things are way more complicated than the "good gaming"/"bad gaming" binary. E.g., maybe the game isn't great, but this is a social group that does many things together, not just D&D, so leaving the game would be a major social cost. (This one...