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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Again, stuff like "present a setting that feels real" is the sort of thing that gets some of our hackles up. This post here suggests that Doskvol can't feel real because of the other framing you've added. I'm not sure that follows at all, considering that Doskvol is a really rich setting that is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The DM guide also covers player exploits/various examples of poor play when it talks directly to players, as covered on this site and across the internet. We're now hitting directly at the OP of this thread here - 2024 has taken some big steps forward to try and place guidelines and limits for...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I was the one who said IMO that if you take a step back, from a "player decision within a GM authored area POV" a sandbox ran with procedure and integrity and a well-designed classic dungeon don't look all that different. In both, you're setting up problems for the players to engage with...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The 2024 DM guideline’s emphasis on “will this change/ruling make the game more fun for the the table / improve the game? If not yes to both (and get feedback from your players), don’t it.” Is pretty neat. It spends a lot of words on establishing the idea of mutual respect, communication...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The vast preponderance of r/lfg and my are local discord certainly are all looking for D&D, primarily “70% roleplaying 30% combat and to be part of a shared story.” A huuuuge swathe of folks I see showing up as “new player looking for a group!” are coming from a) critical role and b) BG3 (my...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't think that AP play = OSR play = WoD play = CoC /DG play = whatever else you want throw out there, without falling into the "all TTRPGs (except those Narrativist people) are just the same" hole.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I’m not talking about whatever you’re doing, I’m talking about the specific treasure hunting / dungeon exploration play you were taking issue with. Often first session stuff in OSR land is a lot of like visiting taverns for rumors and muddling around and such. Because of this, a lot of the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    This is a metaphorical map ("the quest giver's map that got you to this point"). I put them at the start of the dungeon (first exterior map area of the module), and then asked what they did and adjudicated the flow of play per the map & key and procedures of the game from there. Worked great! I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Right, I think it's kinda the difference between "narrative outcomes on the ending card" vs "we went off and played a different story next" to use vaguely computer game terminology. Like, no matter what you do in Curse of Strahd - you're really there to explore Strahd's story and get to a...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Railroading is also the norm at most tables ;P. If you buy a ticket to ride, get on the train, but the DM calls it a linear adventure and lets you get off at stations along the way to sightsee, does that make it not a railroad? Again: railroad (descriptive), railroaded (pejorative). When I...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Again, "agency" is kinda a hard term to really nail down. Dungeon crawling to get treasure is consequential in that the rules of the game position in as how you get XP to advance, and most other procedural carrots are built around it (domain play, renown, whatever). Some descriptions of...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That's "Railroading (pejorative)" as in "I felt railroaded." Sitting down and agreeing to play an AP/plotted campaign, which goes from plot point and consequential adventure location A-> B -> C -> D (Final boss!) is a railroad in that you're on tracks. I do think the Bioware "Lakes and Rivers"...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    A post-Jacquays designed dungeon is a miniature sandbox. The premise of play is "we're playing a game about exploring dungeons to get treasure." Once you're in there, the direction of play is on the players. THere's no plot hooks, no NPCs dropping quests to new areas, no DM reshaping the world...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Hm? Same thing - “you’re making your way down the forest trails the wizard said to look for when you see a ring of standing stones up ahead - just like the map shows.”
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    Do Shorter Lists Make Players/GMs More Creative?

    It’s pretty well established that creativity thrives on constraints. Especially from the design/innovation side of things, there’s a lot of literature and advice out there of taking something you know and adding a constraint or two and seeing where that gets you. Likewise, I find the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It’s also a pretty common recommendation in the OSR space to do what @pemerton was citing back from ole Gary with “drop them at the dungeon.” Let’s you see who survives, so you can start adding to those characters; gets some gold and renown building; avoids lots of back and forth around tavern...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Quite honestly, even as a primary DM for a while I hesitated to raise concerns I had about where the DM of the dungeons of drakkenheim game was going with table time and emphasis because I was playing in somebody else’s house that he was friends with; and everybody else seemed happy. I don’t...
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    What time would you play an evening online 3 hour game session mid to long term?

    7-10, ish. Sometimes 715, usually end 1015-1030 depending on how long End of Session goes. Lets PST with flexibility show up.
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    City-States of Adventure

    It is! It’s more an entire game, but the Steading as its own entity + tons of improvements to set as goals and drive play/expeditions out is very cool.
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    City-States of Adventure

    Oh, "Broken Weave," another "build your community" I went looking for, with a pretty cool post-magic-apocalypse setting: https://cubicle7games.com/broken-weave?srsltid=AfmBOor2R3ssK8XG_wOCiKArJs90EwyMkqNcDHzkL2StWMJwe0oWmsAW
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