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I think I saw SplatterCat do a intro Let's Play/review of that back when it was in pre-release; it looked interesting.

Comics have done the equivalent on and off for decades.

What I mean is that they play very similarly because other than the Technocracy, they have the same in-setting issues and problems. Mages and Witchcraft mages (as contrasted with some of the other types) even have some of the same problems with magic use. Not in my experience. I saw a number...

Not only that, but just hearing about "the second game" is harder, and its already got market penetration that makes it more likely new players will hit the first one. And of course, do new entrants try something really different (which can go well or not) or try and fish somewhat in the same...

I'm just saying that once one game in a genre comes out and is reasonably successful, any successor has a hill to climb.

Again, the setting that's leading up toward Armageddon? And has all the roots around it before then? Mages are theoretically secret too. Again, I'm just not buying it. They aren't the same, but they aren't different in anything but the details, and unless you're focused on the Technocracy...

The setting that includes incursions from outsiders that existed before the universe and Atlantis? And even more things that show up in Armageddon? I'm afraid I just cant' see it. Witchcraft is plenty esoteric. Some of it may not be visible until the later books, but its there.

Uhm. As someone who ran one and actually did editorial work on the other--not really. There are differences but they're not as pronounced as all that conceptually.

Well, of course, because you have problems with Mage and think WitchCraft is better. But selling that can be non-trivial.

A lot of games do provide conversion documents. That said, sometimes you find that some system or approach fundamentally doesn't work in long term use. Also I'll be really blunt: the number of companies that can afford to do a proper blindtesting run before publication of a first edition is...

I'd go as far as to suggest in many cases a new edition three years down simply shows the creators are paying attention; in practice they've gotten much more of what effectively adds up to playtesting in the wild (and some of it blindtesting at that) at that point than they probably could have...

That's generally the case with most of mine too, and this isn't the only group I've had that did that. We boggled a GM many years ago when he was running a guest session in a Champions game and we not only pointed out he was running a mechanic too generously for one player (and that player was...

I've got two players who, as far as I know, have never GMed; one of them has been playing possibly longer than I have. She still takes the time to learn the rules, at least any that apply to a character she's playing. I don't consider it an unreasonable ask. That's because you've indicated...

By the by, its entirely possible to have a very light weight system that passes my error-reduction criteria; it just has to largely be very limited in its output. I saw one like that not too long ago, though its skipping my mind. Where I consider the problem comes in is when the system then...

I will say that a lot of interaction with the players about rules decisions I reference assumes players who are at least moderately familiar with the rules, since I can't be bothered to handhold people who won't work to get at that stage.

There can be players who have some incredible tunnel vision and/or have been trained by bad experiences to take any advantage they can, but I don't have any evidence they're the majority.

Occasionally you'll get people who just fundamentally dislike some elements of the rules in use, and that will leak out when they hit the sharp edge of that. That's a case where its perfectly legitimate to say "You knew about this when we got into this campaign; if you want to talk about...

I didn't say you were only doing PbtA; in fact, I didn't know if you've done it at all. But there are elements in Burning Wheel, Torcherbearer, to some extent Cortex, and a couple of the others there that are not any more attractive to me than others in this thread. This still, in practice...

I guess that's why I mentioned at some point running into diminishing returns at least twice, isn't it? No. There are players like that, but if they're far from everyone, and it becomes less and less common when you have players who either GM or have in the past. This sort of "players are...

Given the rules I'm talking about should be written for D&D, not ported over from a system dissimilar to it? Do I appear like an idiot to supply ammunition by doing an apples and oranges thing here? If you want to post a subsection dealing with a particular skill usage (perhaps a jumping or...