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I feel compelled to point out that post-Tasha subclasses have bonus spells. So they get 4 spells per spell level until sorcerer 11. And 5.5e will have at least two of the pist-Tasha subclasses so we might see that again.

Heh. Technically, the gods of my world are all just high CR monsters. The LG "gods" are just a council of Solars, seven of them, one per muntain. The demon lords and archdevils act as gods. Moradin is Primus, a powerful modrum, the Machine God. Corellon is Oberon, 3-in-1 moon goddess is...

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The inherent gift trope, the affinity-as-subclass, the certainty its not all bloodlines, etc. Mostly? It's mechanics for subclass, feats and diffent sorcerer-only magic items that (imho) effectively function as patches to the main class. There's lots of little details scattered around that add...

The opposte, I'd say. the commonalities of its roots are what makes me confident of the 5e sorcerer identity. It's something built up over the past 10 years since 5e first came out. At least until Tasha's. They started doing better, but that's been a long time for people to have their own...

Nope.

No, no, wizards are their book. Just like a fighter is their weapon. And a cleric is their holy symbol. Nothing else matters. Its like how barbarians are just different flavors of giant axes. Rogues get to be sneaky and be TWO things - a set of lockpicks and their stabby blade! They're...

First let me say that I misread innate spellcasting to mean "flexible casting vs traditional Vancian" at first. I'm a bit too used to people pointing out the sorcerer's 3e origin as an experimental mechanics class, and I think we've grown past that. Much like the modern warlock is a mix of the...

In order, the answers are: See Below, Player Choice, The Cleric Answer, No, No, Not Con, See Below, Don't trust WotC I actually wrote down what I wanted in the giant hate thread, but my preference is to KISS and make some minor houserules to improve the current sorcerer rather than rework it...

No, not really. Nor is it really the sorcerer's identity. Despite what some people will claim, 5e classes are NOT defined by their mechanics. Every class has an a class fantasy. A trope that they represent. A story that they do better than anyone else. For the sorcerer, that trope is the...

You're being factious, but I have made subclasses for quite a number of "commoner" occupations. The maid rogue who uses "disguise kit" as fashion / sewing and has herbal kit proficiency to make teas, the druid farmer who's in tune with the land spirits. A tailor's proficiency with needles...

The difference is that its part of the Fighter's class identity and class fantasy, whereas its not necessarily part of anyone else's. Anyone can spend time praying in a temple, not just clerics. Likewise, anyone can study in an academy, or learn to play music, or steal things. They're not...

Not entirely, no. From the Fighter class description: Its saying that not every soldier or guard is a Fighter, but that implies quite a number of them very much are, and very much are part of the class fantasy.

Not every Fighter is a guard or militia, and not every guard or soldier is a Fighter, but certainly quite a number of them are as their background before adventuring begins. Its part of the class fantasy, just being an average guy who learns to use weapons and pushes themselves down that path.

I mean... "magic" as a specific term in D&D for things that do tap into the weave, and that includes druids - the iconic Primal spellcaster - for doing their magics. Primal, much like the word magic, kind of has specific connotations now - associated with the Inner Planes, druids, rangers and...

And to manifest said hinted dragon abilities, you needed a Prestige Class that effectively turned you into a half-caster; core sorcerer was a full-caster without dragon stuff. And even back in 3e, you could undergo rituals to change your race into a dragon-like one, so no bloodline required...

I would not say that at all. The Weave is name for background magical radiation field of the different D&D worlds. Spellcasting works by manipulating that field directly, and magic items tap into it for powering their enchantments. Dragons, meanwhile, can fly and breath elements through...

I don't want to get rid of the sorcerer, though. I'm arguing about the best way to define the sor and what way to take it in the future.

Ish? That's a negative definition - defining the sorcerer by what everything else is not. Which in turn means that its not an identity of its own, but rather "the wizard/warlock shadow." I'm not a fan of negative defintions like those, not only because its not really giving the sorcerer its...

But you're using preternatural to refer to the beyond-what-Earth-science stuff. Dog sense of smell is entirely natural to them. Maybe its preternatural on a human, but I don't get the impression that's what you're using the term for.