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You do realize that "supernatural" literally means "beyond nature" too, right? Not even its etymology. Its literally the two words that make the larger word up : super (above, beyond) + nature.

The sorcerer isn't three things. Its three shards and half-ideas all jammed together. There's no point to a "caster but not wizard" just sitting there and taking up word count with nothing else added to it. These are not tropes in their own right. There's no class fantasy, no vibes or story...

The sorcerer is in the game primarily because its got too many fans to remove. They tried doing that in 4e with the gnome, and it was a terrible mistake, so the sorcerer stays in by virtue of weight of existing fans. Its ONLY raison d'etre, however, is as an experimental mechanics class. Its...

I would imagine the toughness of dragonscale armors and the high AC of dragon characters counts. Its an observable effect based on the presence, or lack therein, of dragon scales. Being able to run around all day in full plate without penalty while doing heavy exercise should also be an...

Actually had a Dm that did that - evasion moved your character

I think you're kind of just arguing over the defiinitions of words here. Magical is a specific word in D&D, with effects that can be affected by things like Anti-Magic shells, Dispel Magic, and can be read with Detect Magic. Supernatural is a word used around here to refer to effects...

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If you call that weak and floaty, I'd hate to see your hard and firm.

That's because "martial" isn't a power source in this game. Its a fan-made description, which has been applied to everything that swings a weapon, including half-casters like the paladin, to only the Fighter and Rogue, and even then, the Arcane Trickster, Soulknife, Psi Knight, etc subclasses...

Certainly, Lairs and their actions are explicitly magical. Not even just supernatural, but described in books as magical. Which is a specific term in D&D that can be targetted by things like Detect Magic or Anti-Magic effects. The point was that you don't have to be supernatural yourself to...

We know that Divine and Primal draw their magics from the Outer Planes and Inner Planes (which presumably includes the four elements, feywild and shadowfell now) respectively. Warlocks are taught arcane magic from the perspective of extra planar beings, which presumably works either akin to...

WotC? Not that I'm aware of. They don't really make orcs or goblinoids past CR 3~4; there's only one, a hobgoblin warlord at CR 6, and they don't even get to be a Legendary. Wizards doesn't think much of them 3PP? Yes, there is. In the particular case I'm thinking, it was the result of a...

Mistaken on both counts. The Feywild is part of the Great Wheel default setting. Its not a separate Material Plane, like Faerun versus Eberron, but rather an attached plane, like the Near Ethereal or the Shadow Plane. So, yes, its part of the default setting. And Legendary creatures aren't...

You say "obvious exception" but.... I'm not the one who said they don't exist in D&D. Hells, they're literally in Wild Beyond the Witchlight. You can't say something doesn't exist and then shrug it off when you're proven wrong. And that wasn't even the ONLY way for that kind of thing to show...

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I think Says you. Fisher kings exist in the Feywild. Magic items there were made of things like "a sense of wonder." And you can shape plants there into giant shape, then Awaken them.

I kinda want the sorcerer=dragon thing to to go away. worst class for representing dragons, even back in 3e. You needed a prestige class for tht and turned yiu into a half-caster, Edit - don't mind the rant. It's dumb to say, I know

Hot take - that spelless class would be a martial character then. So the caster martial divide would then apply

She's a barbarian. They have supernatural strength. That's entirely their gig. It's what they do. Barbarian rages are supernatural.

People are saying that mundane people can't beat high level threats without magic. If I need to be more specific, then the people saying farmer can't beat the Lord of Death, I want to know specially why not. And thats not rhetorical. Resistances or tough natural armors are the most obvious...