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  1. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I never said anything about flattening--nor about perfect equality either. Folks in this thread are pretty happy to accuse others of using a perfection argument, but then to get annoyed when others say the same of them. So I'd appreciate it if you didn't ascribe demands of perfection to my...
  2. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    It was an example I was given on this very forum. I might be incorrect about which specific monster(s) you were supposed to learn about from the maimed man. But it was definitely an example, and given on this very forum, though I no longer remember who said it. Thinking back on it, I believe it...
  3. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That certainly helps--and does mean there is information the players can just see, rather than pretty much only information they get secondhand. I would still argue there is, and indeed must be, a massive quantity of information the players can only get if you choose to speak it aloud. But at...
  4. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Player Q&A and PoV-centrality. Those are two procedures or processes we can talk about in greater detail. I missed this. How does one go about doing this? Like could you give an example? I do not. But if a process is a functionally-mandatory part of making a style work, yes, I do expect that...
  5. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Certainly! I have very little (perhaps even negative) interest in play which does not contain collaboration. I've just been told enough times that 110% of the world is GM-work, the players simply take actions within that world and thus consequences ripple out from those actions (consequences...
  6. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    ....hence why I said, in the bit you cut out... If you're going to quote me in order to skewer me on not being subjective enough, it behooves you to not cut out the part where I LITERALLY DID say it was subjective, and not only subjective but specifically in my opinion. As in personal. Just for...
  7. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I have been expressly told that it is NOT a shared creative space. It is exclusively the creative space of the GM. Period. No collaboration. None. Zero. AnotherGuy even emphasized that collaboration is something they do which differs from the typical. So, is this wrong? As I said I had thought...
  8. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In real life, I'm not dependent on getting 100% of my information secondhand, and having every single one of my choices filtered through the judgment and evaluation of another person. I'm the one in control of how informed I am. Yes, I must sometimes (indeed, frequently!) trust the expertise of...
  9. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Yet I find Ironsworn quite fun--and it is, in my opinion at least, even more of a sandbox than the "traditonal GM" approach being discussed here.
  10. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So, just so we're clear here: Your players are capable of looking at the world, of seeing what is in it, of touching things and rearranging things etc., without having to ask you what is true or not true first? I mean if they already asked you in the past (and remember) that still counts as...
  11. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Do players earn XP for "bypassed" encounters? I would argue that those they do not earn XP for are bypassed. Those they do earn XP for--regardless of the method by which they obtained that experience, assuming it is commensurate with other approaches--were not bypassed.
  12. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    No. I'm saying that I see several clear issues, which seem like they should warrant techniques of some kind (processes, procedures, guidelines, rules-of-thumb, best practices, etc., etc.) to deal with. I have instead been told that it is literally impossible to even attempt to communicate with...
  13. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I have. Several times. Party meets in a tavern. GM describes the tavern and notes that one of the patrons is an old man with one arm. This is understood by many old-school GMs as ample information for the party to know that the old man with one arm is an essential source of information that...
  14. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Depends. Did they still need to avoid being heard? Are there truly no guards who ever look at the vault? Did they not need to consider shifts or timing? Seems to me that they'd need to do at least these three things: 1. Thoroughly case the joint, to determine the ideal timing for the heist, and...
  15. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not talking about the GM just announcing random information to the party without effort. I'm talking about people discussing this style, who have more than once told me that it's simply, flatly, not possible to detail ANY kind of procedure or process or technique or what-have-you beyond (a)...
  16. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I'm not pemerton. But to me, that isn't bypassing the encounter. It is interacting with the encounter--just not in the brute-force, maximally-straightforward way. To me, "bypass" is something rather more like...completely negating it? Like outright nixing the very foundation upon which the...
  17. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Hmm. Perhaps. But that would be yet another unspoken but critically necessary expectation: that the players are basically somehow magically expected to know that they're supposed to treat every environment as something to be questioned deeply and expansively. Which just feeds right back into my...
  18. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Alright. Let's take this example and run with it, shall we? You decide to go to the store. But before you enter, the store has you blinfolded, puts noise-cancelling earphones over your ears, and puts mandatory boxing gloves on your hands. Functionally, while you are inside, you are in sensory...
  19. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    At this point it's been years, so I don't remember the specifics. IIRC, @Lanefan was one such poster, so perhaps you could ask him about how he has used "maimed grizzled man in the tavern" type things as this sort of idea. But, again, you seem to be missing the forest for the trees. The point...
  20. EzekielRaiden

    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Again, I refer you to the example that I was explicitly given by others who favored an old-school sandbox experience: the "you didn't talk to the one-eyed [or one-armed, or various other maimings] man, so you never heard that the slimes in the mines are weak to lightning but divide when struck...
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