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Hey, why should all clerics be able to turn undead? Surely some of the gods are not into that sort of thing. I say make Turn Undead a low level divine spell that scales with character level and let the ones who want it take it. That then eliminates the extra special ability for Clerics.

Ideas for TWF and roguish shields seems to be two of the points of thought right now, so I will throw in my 2 cents... Looking in the great Wikipedia for "Main Gauche" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_gauche) , we find: "In sword fighting, the main-gauche is a dagger used in the off-hand...

Since I am trying to get away from multiple attacks as much as possible, this is rather interesting. But which of the two weapons rolls for damage if you score a hit? The rules say that your signature spell has to be 1st level and up. So no freebies it seems. Say, this is rather cool and...

My take is that wizards are more powerful but sorcerers are more fun and relaxing to play. I usually go with sorcerers because I dont want the headaches of all that spell planning. With a sorcerer I don't worry if I have prepared the proper spells for the day ahead. What I have is what I...

No one in our group has ever taken a spiked chain. Just on principle.

But then, neither do the monsters have feats...so you can take that back out of your equation again. ;) I suppose you can argue that PCs are usually more feat-laden than monsters...

Cool! Do I win a free copy of Microlite20? ;)

Since I realize I am in a losing position because I am in the Rules forum, I wasn't planning on continuing this. But since you both asked direct questions, I feel it only polite to respond. Did you do what I suggested? That is, take a step WAY back from the rules you know and love so dear...

If someone came out with a monopoly board that had full round actions, and free actions, and partial actions, and move actions, and attack actions, etc, etc....then yes, I would start to question the monopoly board too. :) But I do agree, to each his own...

Exactly!!! All I ask is that we all take a step back from all the rules. No. Further back. Now reread this thread. Should it really be this complicated to take a scroll out of a case? Or a sword out of a scabbard? As a RL simulation I think we can all agreed that D20 fails. So why...

*Sigh* Is this the state the game is in? :heh: A scroll in a case can prompt this many rules questions? If this thread wasn't so sad, it would be funny. This is NOT a knock on you Olaf. But damn, it's a scroll. In a case. Why can't the dude just, uh, pull it and use it... no rules...

Sure, go for it... as long as you realize I just threw those together in one night. Might be nice to see some kind of testing on them. At the very least some sample characters drawn up to compare them with the regular M20 system. How did the fighter close and attack after the goblin stepped...

I posted a simple but untested classless system in the second half of this long winded post: http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3295525&postcount=969 Is Buy the numbers rules lite like this? If not has anyone else experimented with a super simple classless system or seen any?

What follows are my random thoughts on some points touched upon in recent posts to this thread. So bear with me please as the following is in no particular order. Also even if it appears that I start out sounding negative towards M20, I am not. I just want to point out what I feel are still...

If you drop the base scores its still a simple matter to plug in stuff from other games. Just dont copy over the base scores, keep only the bonuses. And I am not sure what MIND has to do with this particular point, so... I think that keeping INT goes a long way toward maintaining the D&D Lite...

It was not my intention to create another 95% system. I thought what we were discussing here were ways to improve THIS system. If this system is already "set in stone" I was not aware, so sorry. I really have high hopes for M20 and just want it to be the best that it can be. :cool:

Thanks for the quick responses, Rycanada. As it is I can see a VERY neat system here with the slight additions mentioned above. Here is another cool way to view the 4 stats, including charisma (or WILL as you suggest): STR is your physical ability to influence external things. CHA is...

Hya Greywulf. Fantastic work you have done here with M20! It looks to be pretty much what I was looking for when I dropped out of my weekly 3.5 session. I was simply tired of fighting with rules (and the rules-lawyers that came with them) instead of fighting in-game challenges. I like your...

Sorry. I've read entire heated threads in the past where it went on and on until somebody finally had the nerve to call the whole thing a troll, and then it all stopped. I guess I just wanted to nip this in the bud. My bad!

Sorry. I've read entire heated threads in the past where it went on and on until somebody finally had the nerve to call the whole thing a troll, and then it all stopped. I guess I just wanted to nip this in the bud. My bad!