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If by your own admission you can't separate your opinions on WW from your experiences with the Camarilla -- keeping in mind that the Cam has historically had nothing to do with tabletop RPGing -- then how is your perspective worth looking at? Except as an indictment of the Camarilla, that is...

(Responding to multiple posts.) There is no correct answer to this question, because it's totally dependent on what you did/didn't like about the old Mage and what you do/don't like in general. They really are two totally different games. It's like asking "if you're a fan of Perdito Street...

Funksaw is not dumb. He has a lot of thoughtful and interesting things to say. Unfortunately, he also lacks perspective (!) and has a tendency to get carried away with himself and say things that I will term, in deference to the level of moderation on EN World, as intemperate and irrational...

... which is why you can't discuss WW products credibly, even if you actually bought and used them (which you do not, correct?). KoOS

Yeah, Phil's dogged insistence on "no real magic" was pretty lame. Still, perhaps the most telling difference between Awakening and Ascension 1e is that the former actually works in play, while the latter was conceptually brilliant but unwieldy (!) in execution. I happen to know for a fact...

I really like Awakening much more than Ascension, and considering the latter was by far my favourite of the original WoD games, that's saying something. Awakening is more playable and more coherent -- important in a game that is meant to be played, rather than leafed through and then debated...

I'm in pretty much the same boat -- I own both, like them both, and I'd happily play either game. I get more use out of CoCd20 because all of the material (incl. crunch) has more utility for my other d20 games (which right now is Spycraft 2.0), and the non-crunch is wonderfully applicable for...

Well, if they are familiar with and like the d20 system, anyways... I didn't say "only plays BRP CoC," I said "doesn't play D&D or d20." There's a lot of room for other games, particularly other horror, modern or quasi-realistic games (all genres that CoC exemplifies). Someone who plays World...

I think it would be more fair to say that the point is subject to whether or not you play D&D or other d20 games; you (and I) do, many pro-BRP players don't and thus it's not so much that they're ignoring it as it's a non-factor for them. "Compatible with D&D" is not a universal, objective...

By default, it would be a lot less gritty and desperate than stock DG, and a lot more cinematic; even with the appropriate campaign qualities, SC2.0 characters are just a lot more uber-competent than a character from either CoCd20 or CoC-BRP. That said, one of the SC2.0 campaigns I was working...

I really like d20 Modern and preferred it to Spycraft 1.0 by a long way. I think Spycraft 2.0 not only fixes 99% of what I didn't like about SC1.0, it fixes some of the things that bug me about d20M. * SC2.0 has a much better, broader and deeper selection of feats and special abilities than...

No inside information here, but I'd guess at a glance that it's down to Super Unicorn (the developers of Crooks and the Meta-4 Universe) no longer actively working on M&M stuff. KoOS

At least one: Mythic Dreams Studios, in Dark Inheritance. KoOS

The thing with the skill system is, the complexity is there for people who require strict definition in the rules. If you're happy to make decisions on the fly, the pages and pages of skill checks can be seen as examples of how to apply the rules but not as something which must be followed 100%...

Actually, I'll second the Shaman's endorsement of Martial Arts Mayhem, and for the same reasons. I liked Blood and Fists too, but preferred MAM's approach -- it seemed to fit better (for me!) in a game with different types of characters who had martial arts as part of their skillset, rather...

Hey, I was only paraphrasing what he said. I've already stated that IMO what he listed as advantages for d20 are either not entirely accurate (i.e. the hardback thing), or are matters of subjective taste. There's really no need to get "fighting mad" with me. I have no real big preference...

There isn't much point to using anything from the main d20M mechanics with Spycraft. The FX spells and psionic powers are worth pinching for the moment, although you'd have to work up your own FX basic classes unless you want FX to be the sole domain of expert classes, and even then you'd have...

Gnosis and its derivatives are Greek. That pointless trivia aside, I don't think tarring d20M with third-party products is any more fair than slamming D&D as a game because of the tidal wave of third-party dross produced for it. Third-party support can only be a positive, because you can...

I'll reiterate the props for d20 Menace Manual. It's indispensable. Urban Arcana is good, but not great. I think the idea is sound enough but the implementation is dodgy in bits (e.g. non-human characters are overpowered) and the tone is too inconsistent and sanitized for my tastes. d20...

But most of the "other stuff" is just as subjective as system preference. I mean, I can't fathom how someone who likes CoC could dislike John Tynes' take on the Mythos or the genre, but I know of people who feel this way (and adamantly so). Likewise, I know a number of people who prefer the...