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It is a tough call.. I am unsure why they went with a different stacking proceedure. I would say to follow their example as far as possible and then extrapolate useing the other rules. When you metamorph into a troll your physical form becomes that of a troll, you did not change size. So, you...

I do too, I just think the thought is funny ;)

Since the elemental could 'jump' over the water I dont see how being able to fly would be prohibited.. just call it a very long, very controlled jump ;)

Isnt the main, and possibly only, reason that monks fists cannot be enchanted is because they are not masterwork? There is a prc that allows for a monk to enchant his attacks.. kensai maybe?

If you did know then you wouldnt have made your comment. If someone has a claim then they are under the burden of proof to prove their claim, it is not up to others to disprove it. Although people do on occasion like to disprove things, that is not the same thing at all. In america people...

I dont want exhaustive, I just want a few actual examples ;) It is always nice to have something real to look at. Patryn gave a nice one above actually.

Apparently you do not know what 'burden of proof' means.

Hey, like I posted earlier: ;)

Cool, thanks ;) Of course that seems to lend even more credit in my mind to ina working on monks weapons.. given the wording of each.

If people 'really' wanted their 'any and all' comment to work they would be able to defend their position. I think that asking for proof on their comment is well within the realm of reason ;) In this case magic fang is a spell and it has certain specified effects. To me that falls under the...

which brings up a question for me. Anyone with the book, what does it say that the image does? Does it 'act normally'? or something like that? Since, apparently, acting normally for your character is to get away at this point in time.. so should he try to book it out of there? What if he stops...

You say that they exist so I want you to show me them ;) I asked patryn earlier but he apparently doesnt have a list either. Magic fang as a spell like ability is close enough to the 'spell' part to me to not need the 'effects' part of the description. But perhaps it is necissary for the rest...

Nice ;)

Since that is what I asked for, multiple times, then yes. Actually, I want a list of examples. If you cannot find one then what is the point of saying that they must 'all' fit under this list? As for the magic fang, that would fall under my comment of, 'one that will not simply work by the...

Likely this is the closest one will come in the core to seeing the 'opposed' arguement really. But to me that seems more like a limitation on choices rather than actual rules. It'd be even more interesting if there was a trinity like effect between plants, animals and insect domains ;) Of...

By the raw nothing happens if you force a fire elemental into water. They are not diametrically opposed as far as I can tell, no rules support this. The raw does say: but this in no way supports your position. Unless a dm wishes to houserule fire elementals to be vulnerable to water then they...

Such as? Examples that wouldnt fall under 'spell' would be nice.

I still havent seen anyone give any examples of what 'effect' might be if feats are not allowed for whatever reason. Does anyone know of anything where this would apply if, for a reason I do not understand, feats were not the 'effects' that it speaks of?

No, actually the quote I posted proves the opposite given its wording. Just read the quote I posted again. You are not able to use the feat while in the field, so its effect is gone, you cannot use it. The effect is suppresed, that is true, but the ability remains, it is just unuseable. Just...

Prove it. I have shown the rules, you have been making things up as far as I can tell. So prove your point, useing the rules. You mean compare real world fires that need a source of fuel and oxygen vs the d&d world fire elemental which needs neither? Take a fire elemental, put it in an empty...