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Announcing it makes you appear petulant. Taking the "high road" requires silence and stealth ... like a ninja -- no one should even know the deed has been done.

There's concern over how much from WoW (MMOGs in general) that *did* make it into the redesign, for no reason other than it's profitable-trendy.

I was thinking about Mutants & Masterminds last night -- I let my copy go many months back but now I've got a hankering for superhero fun again -- and it hit me that with several aspects of d20 D&D coming out, other related games might be affected as well. Any ideas on that? Are those games...

That's a broad stroke that's insulting to the many MMO(RP)G-bashing people who are informed. Probably need to be careful with that. Eight pages of thread so far. Goodness -- this topic certainly has a lot of aggro!

I suddenly realize what the "points of light" reference means!: Computer screens shining in darkened rooms around the world as gamers lose track of the hours while playing World of Warcraft.

I don't think "wrongbadfun" had been invented yet.

I agree. The inappropriateness of converting an AI-programmed "aggro" system for brain-piloted DMs should have been obvious *before* testing it.

What's the trendy race in World of Warcraft? THAT will be the new D&D core PHB race. Good marketing choice.

Here here! Bravo. Discussion for discussion's sake.

I hope ever so much that they decide to include rules for camping on "spawns" so serious gamers can "grind" some easy experience. (Did I use those terms correctly?) Appendix B of the new PHB: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/glossary.html

I think it's sad that they even had to consider incorporating computer game "aggro" mechanics. Was Merls & Co. testing the possibility because the latest generation of DMs is so brain-addled that they can't imagine what a combat opponent will do without a bunch of programmed rules? Or because...

Oh dear gawd -- those games have windmill monsters, too?! That's just weird.

Yeah, I'd agree ... except that D&D wasn't dull to begin with. There's nothing to alleviate. Which means that they're testing online gaming concepts for the sheer sake of trying to make the game more online game-ish.

Nah. Too obvious, too trendy, and too much elf.

1. Why so much energy expended to defend WoW-think? 2. If players are doing the same dull thing for four hours instead of being involved a decent game of D&D, then testing and/or introducing an online gaming concept isn't going to help. That's a personality glitch.

We need to bring him to the WOWCVC -- World Of Whatever Cootie Vaccination Center. I remember something like that back in middle school. Worked really well; I'm still cootie-free to this day. But that was generic cooties. No one could have foreseen this horrendous plague.

THAT's the turn of phrase I was looking for! Thanks. :) Yes, a malevolent virus.

You must have missed how he used the term "aggro," then. AND felt the need to test the game mechanic at all. That wouldn't have happened if MMORPGs hadn't already gotten into his brain. The damage is already done.

Your accusation offends me and I expect an apology. You should also apologize for misquoting me, as I noted earlier. I am not responsible for YOUR mistaken assumptions. Your attempt to stir up trouble doesn't belong on this thread. (edit) ... For that matter, my further response is unnecessary...

OK, OK now, Whiz. Just calm down. Not only did you misquote me (using quote marks), you broadly misinterpreted my comment: Monster Players -- players who are all about killing monsters and nothing else. Not roleplayers. I don't know why you had to make this a personal attack. Let's just back...